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bespoke radio

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for the masses headline edition july 8th

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1947.

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and

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is now in the possession of the army if

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the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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kgra

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i need your help to get to the year 1985

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you're listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening

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bespoke radio

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for the masses

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how you doing today is monday december

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21st

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2020 let's do this

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man

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356 days into the new year

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only 10 days left wow

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we are live from a bunker somewhere in

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the middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states hither and

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tether to and fro back and forth up and

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this is fade to black for kjcr the game

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changer network and kgra

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the planet i'm yours jimmy church what

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is cracking everybody how you doing

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winter solstice he's been watching

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what's going on outside

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and this is christmas week here on fade

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tonight very special guest for the first

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ryan sprague joins us

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somewhere in the skies ryan sprague is

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finally talk about all of that tonight

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director james fox

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james fox man of the moment

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going to stop by we're going to be

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talking about his new film the

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phenomenon which we

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uh have pretty much been talking about

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for the last two years james has been on

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and uh going through the stages of the

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of getting clips of different segments

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of the film jimmy what do you think of

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this check

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this out check this out i got another

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and and and sending me stuff and i got

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to see it go through its stages

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fox is here we're going to be talking

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just jump straight into it follow me on

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at j church radio all right follow me

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hashtag f2b is the sandbox all right

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not the plug-in the great conjunction

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chew on that well i know you've read the

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news so i'm going to keep this brief

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there is a new covid strain

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covid 20. now the news and the date is

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just now being reported on

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and we'll get you all the developments

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over the next

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few days now over to hawaii

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the hawaii uh county civil defense

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known as the coh has asked residents to

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stay indoors after the kilauea volcano

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erupted following a series of

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aglow was detected within the crater of

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the eruption on the big island took

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the at the crater the kilauea

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volcano observatory raised the alert

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warning not watch but warning

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that's the full-on advisory the warning

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after a 4.4 magnitude earthquake struck

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hilo late sunday local time we're

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keeping our eyes on all of this let's

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get the show cracking

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happy birthday to today samuel l

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jackson today 72 years old

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pulp fiction jackie brown did django

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unchained

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man 72 years old jane fonda

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today 83.

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kiefer sutherland says that he's just

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54 three years younger than me i'm not

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buying that

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and ray romano today is 63

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and guitar great guitar god albert

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lee today is 77 years old our dead guy's

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birthday today is moment of silence

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please

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frank zappa 1940 to 1993 died at the age

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of 52

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frank was all about non-conformity

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free form improvisation sound

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experiments

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and satire of the american culture

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yeah and he was the best at all of it

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he's considered one of the most

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innovative musicians in history

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and his personality his humor his

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outlook on life

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has influenced me probably more than

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anyone else

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something something that he would have

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protested

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if i ever had the chance to say it to

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him and that is a guarantee

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the albums one size fits all

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zappa in new york shake your booty and

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joe's garage

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acts one two and three set me on a path

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to who i am today for that i thank you

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frank

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cancer on december 4th 1993

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17 days before his 53rd birthday

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at his home with his wife gail and his

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children by his

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side happy birthday frank zappa on this

325
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day in history

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1988 pan am flight 103 explodes

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over scotland fader fact

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in bolivia okay here we go now that you

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know

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i just love getting to the fader fact

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each night

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in bolivia when an inmate

333
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enters san pedro prison

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they have to purchase a cell

335
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that's right they have to purchase their

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own self for somewhere between

337
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20 bucks and five thousand dollars

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depending on

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the quality the amenities

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freelance agents in bolivia

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advertise these cells on billboards and

342
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magazines

343
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oh man that's your fader fact look it up

344
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it's trippy you should see some of these

345
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billboards by the way

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tonight's right here kicking off

347
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christmas week

348
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very special guest ryan sprague joins us

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for the first time

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can't believe it done this show for a

351
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lot of years ryan sprague joins us

352
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tomorrow night director james fox we're

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going to be talking about his new film

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the phenomenon wednesday night live from

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the uk

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ronnie dugdale is here also for the

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first time and then

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thursday it is christmas eve

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and it is another fader night with open

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lines all night long

361
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can't wait it's a great week it is cra

362
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you know what merry christmas everyone

363
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no pc stuff around here merry christmas

364
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and now it's time for me to hit

365
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rivermooncoffee.com yeah i almost

366
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uh looking at third stone studios here

367
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i almost did i was going to do some

368
00:17:26,150 --> 00:17:23,679
samuel l jackson tonight

369
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but uh i bailed on it i bailed i printed

370
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stuff out i was good i was going to go

371
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there

372
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below it i was gonna do it

373
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i was gonna do it

374
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but i didn't big kahuna burger i almost

375
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did see

376
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i i'm getting sucked into it now thank

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you for that

378
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okay so tonight

379
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is the man my chair's squeaking in one

380
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spot did you hear that

381
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i got a squeaky chair it's back

382
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so tonight is the much anticipated and

383
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publicized

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super duper jupiter saturn

385
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conjunction and as i just mentioned

386
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i checked it out before air time

387
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and uh they are putting on quite the

388
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show for us it's truly amazing

389
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and to see it right right right there

390
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it's pretty cool

391
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we are lucky you see

392
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yeah the ability to

393
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ponder such things

394
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if you think about it we are the only

395
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species on earth

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that are looking up to the night sky

397
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right now

398
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this evening at its wonder

399
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just that in itself

400
00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:07,510
sure this has been going on for a long

401
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time

402
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and i'm talking about looking to the

403
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:12,080
stars

404
00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:15,840
and thinking about things

405
00:19:21,669 --> 00:19:18,960
no other species does it right we are

406
00:19:26,150 --> 00:19:21,679
blessed with that

407
00:19:30,310 --> 00:19:26,160
but it's too easy for us to think today

408
00:19:36,830 --> 00:19:33,350
are the first to do these things and we

409
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are not we are not the only generations

410
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no

411
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:41,120
right and the other part is that we

412
00:19:46,150 --> 00:19:42,880
think today

413
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that we are able for the first time

414
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to calculate when they're going to

415
00:19:58,310 --> 00:19:55,110
but we can go back to aristotle

416
00:20:01,190 --> 00:19:58,320
copernicus galileo

417
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:01,200
even isaac newton all heavy thinkers for

418
00:20:04,950 --> 00:20:02,880
sure

419
00:20:07,430 --> 00:20:04,960
and they are the ones that opened up the

420
00:20:10,710 --> 00:20:07,440
doors to our universe

421
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:10,720
but they also opened up to much

422
00:20:18,230 --> 00:20:14,880
smaller things as well

423
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:18,240
now newton's biggest thoughts

424
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and ideas came from his down

425
00:20:29,270 --> 00:20:25,280
time during the plague

426
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:29,280
that's right now this is where you need

427
00:20:37,029 --> 00:20:33,120
to just stop and trip out for a second

428
00:20:40,149 --> 00:20:37,039
can you imagine if he had the internet

429
00:20:45,110 --> 00:20:42,710
you see think about this for a second i

430
00:20:45,909 --> 00:20:45,120
know we should go to me at 1687. man

431
00:20:49,909 --> 00:20:45,919
that

432
00:20:51,909 --> 00:20:49,919
the internet back come on but

433
00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:51,919
he had the plague he had a distraction

434
00:20:55,350 --> 00:20:54,080
today we have a pandemic we have a

435
00:21:00,470 --> 00:20:55,360
distraction

436
00:21:08,630 --> 00:21:04,789
he was able to clear his mind

437
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:08,640
during his downtime and think about

438
00:21:15,669 --> 00:21:12,080
gravity and physics

439
00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:15,679
and math he pondered

440
00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:18,720
if he had the internet we may

441
00:21:22,230 --> 00:21:21,200
still be trying to figure out why an

442
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:22,240
apple

443
00:21:29,590 --> 00:21:25,360
just falls to the ground

444
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:29,600
think about that for a second right

445
00:21:35,909 --> 00:21:32,799
today we have all of these amazing

446
00:21:36,870 --> 00:21:35,919
physicists who are not able to take

447
00:21:40,230 --> 00:21:36,880
advantage

448
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:40,240
of all the downtime right now

449
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:42,000
because right now they are still

450
00:21:49,029 --> 00:21:44,000
teaching classes

451
00:21:52,390 --> 00:21:51,110
see what kobe did to my brain do you see

452
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:52,400
what covid did

453
00:22:01,750 --> 00:22:00,310
if we had had the pandemic 10 or 15

454
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:01,760
years ago

455
00:22:07,510 --> 00:22:05,120
instead of today was zoom skype

456
00:22:09,510 --> 00:22:07,520
the internet right if we had the

457
00:22:13,029 --> 00:22:09,520
pandemic 10 or 15 years ago

458
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:13,039
schools would have been completely

459
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:16,400
shut down today they are not we're doing

460
00:22:19,909 --> 00:22:17,520
everything virtually

461
00:22:20,549 --> 00:22:19,919
so all of the academics have to continue

462
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:20,559
working

463
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:22,640
but if we had the pandemic 10 or 15

464
00:22:27,590 --> 00:22:23,600
years ago

465
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:27,600
no zoom classes suddenly right

466
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:29,840
think about it all of these great

467
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:30,720
scientific

468
00:22:33,990 --> 00:22:33,280
minds would have written papers on

469
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:34,000
theory

470
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:36,240
that it would have sent us to the stars

471
00:22:41,190 --> 00:22:38,480
by now

472
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:41,200
but we've been denied because of zoom

473
00:22:47,270 --> 00:22:42,720
i'm just saying

474
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:47,280
anyway this got me thinking

475
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:48,960
which is never a good thing especially

476
00:22:54,149 --> 00:22:50,720
with the covid dementia

477
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:54,159
that i'm going through but tonight

478
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:01,590
and you see we are able to use computers

479
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:04,880
to calculate exactly what is going on

480
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:08,159
and when to expect it right got the news

481
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,080
you know 45 minutes after sunset

482
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,720
45 minutes after sunset run outside look

483
00:23:17,270 --> 00:23:13,840
up and you're gonna see

484
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:17,280
jupiter and saturn point one degree

485
00:23:24,630 --> 00:23:21,120
of it from each other and we are also

486
00:23:28,870 --> 00:23:24,640
able to calculate very precisely

487
00:23:33,590 --> 00:23:31,190
that's totally an utterly amazing talent

488
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:33,600
that we possess today

489
00:23:42,149 --> 00:23:36,720
if you really think about it

490
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:42,159
so this strange ability of ours

491
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:46,000
to ponder to think

492
00:23:55,990 --> 00:23:50,320
to wonder to be amazed

493
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:56,000
to theorize as we look up to the stars

494
00:24:04,710 --> 00:23:59,760
we all also have the ability

495
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:04,720
to ponder the very small

496
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:09,520
that's right now who does this

497
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:14,559
who does this nobody but us

498
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:18,799
ants don't do it that's for sure

499
00:24:26,630 --> 00:24:23,520
dogs don't do it that we know of

500
00:24:28,390 --> 00:24:26,640
nothing does but us and that is what is

501
00:24:31,430 --> 00:24:28,400
so cool

502
00:24:32,630 --> 00:24:31,440
so something that i have been pondering

503
00:24:33,830 --> 00:24:32,640
and that is the word of the night

504
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:33,840
pondering

505
00:24:40,950 --> 00:24:37,520
for a while now is this

506
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:45,590
right how small is small

507
00:24:55,590 --> 00:24:53,029
true knowledge of the atom started just

508
00:24:56,630 --> 00:24:55,600
over 100 years ago in 1905 with albert

509
00:24:58,789 --> 00:24:56,640
einstein and

510
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:58,799
many others too and maybe 150 years

511
00:25:02,230 --> 00:25:00,320
before that there were some things how

512
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:02,240
does water and things are looking at a

513
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,679
microscope and

514
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:05,600
and what's going on here yeah yeah but

515
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:09,039
1905 was the year

516
00:25:16,630 --> 00:25:13,360
but over the next four decades

517
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:16,640
until today but things got smaller and

518
00:25:19,590 --> 00:25:17,360
smaller

519
00:25:21,750 --> 00:25:19,600
suddenly it wasn't just the atom it was

520
00:25:22,789 --> 00:25:21,760
electrons it was protons it was neutrons

521
00:25:26,310 --> 00:25:22,799
quarks

522
00:25:29,669 --> 00:25:26,320
right and then in the 70s

523
00:25:31,269 --> 00:25:29,679
the idea for string theory started to

524
00:25:34,470 --> 00:25:31,279
take hold

525
00:25:34,789 --> 00:25:34,480
now string theory is very very complex

526
00:25:39,029 --> 00:25:34,799
but

527
00:25:42,390 --> 00:25:39,039
basically it can be described as

528
00:25:46,310 --> 00:25:42,400
very very small vibrating

529
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:46,320
fibers or strings that make up

530
00:25:53,190 --> 00:25:50,000
everything larger so the basic

531
00:25:54,950 --> 00:25:53,200
question i have is this what are the

532
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:54,960
strings made of

533
00:26:05,830 --> 00:26:03,990
when does small stop when is the end of

534
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:05,840
the line

535
00:26:13,430 --> 00:26:10,400
these strings this vibrating energy

536
00:26:16,390 --> 00:26:13,440
has to be made of something right

537
00:26:18,630 --> 00:26:16,400
and that something is made up of

538
00:26:21,430 --> 00:26:18,640
something

539
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:21,440
where does it all end it's my covet

540
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:22,159
brain

541
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:24,880
these are some very serious questions

542
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:26,720
and to take it a step further

543
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:30,960
these strings are resting on

544
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:35,360
and connected to wait for it

545
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:38,960
something else something that is

546
00:26:47,830 --> 00:26:43,919
smaller than the strings themselves

547
00:26:52,870 --> 00:26:47,840
all of this tiny world is

548
00:26:55,750 --> 00:26:52,880
is what what is made of

549
00:26:57,830 --> 00:26:55,760
i don't know protons electrons quarks

550
00:27:01,510 --> 00:26:57,840
this insane tiny little world

551
00:27:05,909 --> 00:27:01,520
exists inside of

552
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:05,919
an atom the complexity of our entire

553
00:27:09,750 --> 00:27:06,640
universe

554
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:09,760
all of it is fundamentally made up of

555
00:27:17,909 --> 00:27:10,720
one thing

556
00:27:21,430 --> 00:27:20,389
those little strings make up all of

557
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:21,440
jupiter

558
00:27:27,590 --> 00:27:24,880
all of saturn as they line up and

559
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:27,600
and light up the night sky this evening

560
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:28,960
that's right

561
00:27:33,350 --> 00:27:31,520
and those little strings make up the

562
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:33,360
telescopes

563
00:27:39,350 --> 00:27:36,559
and the eyeballs that are watching it

564
00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:42,470
including the human brain

565
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:44,880
that pondered the significance of short

566
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:47,200
person behavior in petal depressed

567
00:27:51,350 --> 00:27:48,080
panchromatic

568
00:27:55,350 --> 00:27:51,360
resonance and other highly ambient

569
00:27:59,669 --> 00:27:58,149
happy birthday frank zappa tonight's

570
00:28:01,990 --> 00:27:59,679
very special guest

571
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:02,000
ryan sprague joins us for the first time

572
00:28:04,630 --> 00:28:03,600
right here in faded black very excited

573
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,640
about it

574
00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:06,480
kicking off our christmas week tomorrow

575
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,200
night director james fox will be here to

576
00:28:13,669 --> 00:28:11,600
talk about his movie phenomenon

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am your host jimmy church tonight ryan

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sprague is here kicking off our

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christmas week

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tomorrow night james fox wednesday night

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with all of you tonight ryan sprague

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that's right ryan sprague is here we're

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going to be talking about you opposed

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tonight

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and what i want to get into is the new

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generation of ufologists who are making

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waves in the community including ryan

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ryan is the lead investigator co-host of

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the cd cw television series mysteries

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decoded

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he's the author of somewhere in the

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skies a human approach

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to the ufo phenomenon and is the creator

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and host of somewhere in the skies

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podcast he's a contributing writer for

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the debrief open minds magazine rogue

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planet

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and medium speaking on the ufo topic he

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has been featured in the acclaimed

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documentary series on the trail of ufos

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and also on are you ready for this abc

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news fox news 7 news australia

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and the science channel he has consulted

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and been featured in newsweek the new

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york post

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and vice news and now we can add fade to

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black to that list his website is

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somewhere in the skies

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dot com and i would like to welcome for

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the first time to fade to black ryan

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sprague ryan good evening man how are

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you

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jimmy i'm so excited to be here man it's

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uh this is the perfect

742
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christmas present for me brother i've

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been waiting for this forever

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and i'm blushing but before we get

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started you get the first time guest

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disclaimer

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i know you've been waiting for this but

748
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uh yeah ryan it's just you and i sitting

749
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on my couch having a conversation as

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friends and

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where that conversation starts it starts

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where it ends it ends but we're gonna

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end his friends

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there you go you're right brother i

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wouldn't have it any other way let's do

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it all right

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let's uh let's let's turn back the clock

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a little bit

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and i've been thinking about this

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opening salvo of questions

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but uh i have been

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uh stalking and and lurking in the

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background with you for a number of

764
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years and we are both aware of that but

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um years ago now i'm going to

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say i'm going to take a stab at this but

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i'm going to say

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seven years ago uh maybe eight years ago

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i caught you on kgra

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and you were um

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uh i guess almost like a producer at

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large

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thing yeah and

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and if i've got the label wrong dude

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i've got kova dementia and it's been a

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lot of years

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but but i i caught you back then and

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was very intrigued about your take on

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things

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and then it was uh right around that

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time

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you announced hey i got a book deal

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right

784
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and i was like okay okay uh

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i'm gonna say kid affectionately uh this

786
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young man is is tearing things up

787
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um but take me back to that period how

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did you get

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involved with uh kgra um

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how did your introduction to richard

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dolan uh

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happen and and what brought you into

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this community

794
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yeah so i mean like a lot of i guess

795
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ufo researchers out there i do have that

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kind of

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quintessential origin story i had a

798
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sighting when i was 12 years old

799
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:05,520
uh you know nothing too crazy i saw a

800
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formation

801
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of triangular lights over a body of

802
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water in central new york

803
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:13,040
and uh scared the crap out of me

804
00:37:16,950 --> 00:37:14,880
couldn't tell you what it was but it

805
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it terrified me i had nightmares for

806
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:18,320
years after that jimmy

807
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how old were you i was 12. so this had

808
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:23,440
to be i'm gonna age myself here

809
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:26,960
uh mid 90s i want to say 95

810
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:30,240
okay all right yeah so formation perfect

811
00:37:35,990 --> 00:37:33,359
triangular formation of lights uh red

812
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,000
hazy circle in the middle kind of this

813
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:38,480
prototypical triangular ufo

814
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:40,720
as we've come to uh sort of learn what

815
00:37:43,510 --> 00:37:41,680
these things are

816
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:43,520
but i didn't see a machine i didn't see

817
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:46,640
a structure i just saw the lights and um

818
00:37:51,109 --> 00:37:49,359
like i said this thing it was silent it

819
00:37:52,150 --> 00:37:51,119
floated over this body of water it

820
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disappeared

821
00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:54,480
and uh my life changed after that yeah

822
00:37:59,349 --> 00:37:56,240
holy crap that's a good one

823
00:38:02,310 --> 00:37:59,359
yeah yeah okay all right and and

824
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:02,320
and so were your parents i know you're

825
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:04,400
home for the holidays um

826
00:38:10,710 --> 00:38:07,520
were your parents crazy were they

827
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,720
into these subjects not at all i mean i

828
00:38:14,710 --> 00:38:12,400
grew up a baseball player

829
00:38:16,950 --> 00:38:14,720
i mean you can ask my dad i was i was

830
00:38:19,829 --> 00:38:16,960
ready to go pro man and like

831
00:38:20,310 --> 00:38:19,839
every summer that's all i did um other

832
00:38:22,550 --> 00:38:20,320
than

833
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:22,560
take some fishing trips go to camp stuff

834
00:38:25,349 --> 00:38:23,359
like that

835
00:38:27,990 --> 00:38:25,359
and i saw this ufo while i was on one of

836
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:28,000
these campy trips and i kind of

837
00:38:33,430 --> 00:38:31,119
you know i kept it to myself um for

838
00:38:35,109 --> 00:38:33,440
many years i told a couple friends got

839
00:38:35,510 --> 00:38:35,119
made fun of you know how that whole game

840
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:35,520
goes

841
00:38:39,270 --> 00:38:38,400
sure and um i would write essays to

842
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:39,280
myself

843
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:42,079
outside of school about the roswell ufo

844
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:43,119
crash or

845
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:45,200
you know loch ness monster whatever i

846
00:38:49,990 --> 00:38:47,119
could get my hands on in this

847
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:50,000
weird weird world and uh take out books

848
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:51,280
at the library

849
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:53,920
and man it was just a snowball effect

850
00:38:59,109 --> 00:38:55,760
from there so became obsessed

851
00:39:02,870 --> 00:38:59,119
right so before the sighting

852
00:39:06,390 --> 00:39:02,880
any interest in ufos none no nothing

853
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:06,400
i mean i hadn't maybe i'd seen a couple

854
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:08,160
movies here and there but

855
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:10,480
you know the x-files wasn't around yet

856
00:39:13,589 --> 00:39:11,599
um i just

857
00:39:16,470 --> 00:39:13,599
it just wasn't my thing man like i said

858
00:39:17,670 --> 00:39:16,480
i i wanted to be the next uh roberto

859
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:17,680
allamar or

860
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,920
joe carter i was a big blue jays fan at

861
00:39:25,109 --> 00:39:21,359
the time so

862
00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,119
um that was my life man so yeah i had no

863
00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:27,440
you know preconceived notions of what i

864
00:39:30,550 --> 00:39:29,440
was looking at i didn't look up and say

865
00:39:33,910 --> 00:39:30,560
wow this is a

866
00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,920
alien craft i just knew even at age 12

867
00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:36,000
that what i was looking at was not

868
00:39:39,829 --> 00:39:38,400
what i'd ever seen before this was not a

869
00:39:43,349 --> 00:39:39,839
conventional airplane

870
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:43,359
by any means so now now you're

871
00:39:48,630 --> 00:39:46,720
um an unofficial researcher

872
00:39:50,550 --> 00:39:48,640
yes i would say we're all pretty

873
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:50,560
unofficial when it when it really comes

874
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:51,760
down to it right i mean

875
00:39:55,030 --> 00:39:53,839
there's no degree in ufology but my

876
00:39:57,670 --> 00:39:55,040
mentor uh

877
00:39:58,630 --> 00:39:57,680
peter robbins the the ufo researcher

878
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:58,640
right he told me

879
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,720
in order to become a ufologist you touch

880
00:40:02,870 --> 00:40:02,400
your nose spin around three times and

881
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:02,880
boom

882
00:40:07,109 --> 00:40:04,960
yeah yeah that's uh that's the induction

883
00:40:09,670 --> 00:40:07,119
ceremony pretty much right

884
00:40:10,309 --> 00:40:09,680
but yeah man i take it very seriously

885
00:40:12,069 --> 00:40:10,319
and

886
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:12,079
so you jump into the research what did

887
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:17,910
when i first got interested the first

888
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:20,560
book i ever read was by stan friedman it

889
00:40:23,910 --> 00:40:21,359
was uh

890
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:23,920
crash at corona about the roswell crash

891
00:40:26,870 --> 00:40:24,400
and

892
00:40:28,309 --> 00:40:26,880
i mean now i wasn't just learning that

893
00:40:30,870 --> 00:40:28,319
ufos might possibly

894
00:40:32,470 --> 00:40:30,880
be visiting our planet from elsewhere

895
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:32,480
but now they're crashing

896
00:40:37,990 --> 00:40:35,520
so i mean man that was it for me i

897
00:40:39,670 --> 00:40:38,000
i learned right from the beginning that

898
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:39,680
this was possibly happening

899
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:41,599
that uh extraterrestrial intelligence

900
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:43,280
were visiting our planet

901
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:44,880
may have crashed and our government was

902
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:46,319
covering it up

903
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,119
so that just i didn't know what to think

904
00:40:52,069 --> 00:40:51,280
i mean i'm 13 years old at this point

905
00:40:55,430 --> 00:40:52,079
reading about

906
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:55,440
this right and uh again nobody was

907
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:56,640
talking about it

908
00:41:01,190 --> 00:40:59,359
and i just it stunned me and that's why

909
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:01,200
i kind of kept it to myself

910
00:41:05,349 --> 00:41:04,560
like am i am i crazy or are these books

911
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:05,359
like

912
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:07,440
are they all fiction what am i to make

913
00:41:11,349 --> 00:41:08,400
of this now

914
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:11,359
19 let's let let me ask you if you go

915
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:13,520
back to 1995 and that

916
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:16,800
that period of ufology was a crazy one

917
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:19,680
for you to come into uh this circle

918
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:20,160
because

919
00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:21,680
there were things that were happening

920
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,160
then like the mj-12 documents

921
00:41:28,390 --> 00:41:26,960
started to surface uh you had the alien

922
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:28,400
autopsy film

923
00:41:31,670 --> 00:41:30,640
and and the things that were happening

924
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:31,680
did you

925
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:35,440
autopsy film at the age of 13

926
00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:39,040
14 15. yup i remember

927
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:40,560
distinctly the night that thing

928
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:43,200
premiered on fox i uh i watched it with

929
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:43,680
my

930
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,400
i just it dumbfounded me

931
00:41:54,950 --> 00:41:53,520
i was again like i had just heard about

932
00:41:57,270 --> 00:41:54,960
this ufo crash

933
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:57,280
and now we supposedly have the body and

934
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:58,560
now we have film of it

935
00:42:04,630 --> 00:42:01,599
you know many years later in retrospect

936
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:04,640
the film is what it is um you can say

937
00:42:08,550 --> 00:42:06,240
yeah you can say whatever you want to

938
00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:08,560
say but but

939
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:11,839
you're did you think what you were

940
00:42:20,309 --> 00:42:17,200
watching you know at that time was real

941
00:42:23,109 --> 00:42:20,319
to a degree and i think it really was

942
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:23,119
that whole idea of that that x-files

943
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:24,800
poster i want to believe

944
00:42:27,829 --> 00:42:26,319
right i think at that point i was

945
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:27,839
willing to believe anything

946
00:42:30,870 --> 00:42:30,400
um there were some little you know i

947
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:30,880
guess

948
00:42:34,069 --> 00:42:33,440
uh warning signs throughout it where i

949
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,079
was like

950
00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:37,119
i don't know about this and um for me

951
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:39,680
man i mean we're talking 95 this is like

952
00:42:43,190 --> 00:42:41,119
the advent of aol

953
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:43,200
right so i was hopping on all those chat

954
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:44,960
rooms and forums about

955
00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,760
conspiracy theory and that's when like

956
00:42:52,230 --> 00:42:49,680
my whole world opened up

957
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:52,240
like everything from jfk assassination

958
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:53,680
to roswell to the

959
00:42:56,710 --> 00:42:56,240
mk ultra blah blah blah blah and i just

960
00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:56,720
became

961
00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:00,079
inundated and then you know like you you

962
00:43:03,589 --> 00:43:01,839
it's overwhelming when you first get

963
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:03,599
involved in these topics

964
00:43:07,190 --> 00:43:05,280
you're getting hit from every angle

965
00:43:09,430 --> 00:43:07,200
every person out there

966
00:43:11,270 --> 00:43:09,440
giving their own ideas opinions and

967
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:11,280
beliefs on it and i didn't know what to

968
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,400
do or where to turn

969
00:43:16,550 --> 00:43:14,480
so it was tough at first man because

970
00:43:19,030 --> 00:43:16,560
like i said i had no one to

971
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:19,040
talk to about this except complete

972
00:43:23,510 --> 00:43:21,200
random strangers on the internet

973
00:43:24,950 --> 00:43:23,520
which is not a good thing you know yeah

974
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:24,960
well i did the same thing

975
00:43:29,190 --> 00:43:27,839
uh i think a lot of us did that were

976
00:43:31,510 --> 00:43:29,200
part of

977
00:43:32,470 --> 00:43:31,520
the ufo community back then you know

978
00:43:34,630 --> 00:43:32,480
with aol

979
00:43:35,750 --> 00:43:34,640
and the first search engines first thing

980
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:35,760
you do is

981
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:39,520
you plug in ufo right and it was a

982
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:42,319
limited amount of resources there but i

983
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:43,440
found

984
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:46,480
the website uh ufo mind

985
00:43:52,829 --> 00:43:50,400
and that website and i say it to this

986
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,839
day that was the reason to have the

987
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,079
internet

988
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:56,480
because everything back then uh

989
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:58,960
especially was compiled in one database

990
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:00,480
and you could just start at the top and

991
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:03,440
just click it was an alphabetical order

992
00:44:07,750 --> 00:44:05,920
uh the names the subjects the crashes

993
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:07,760
the the researchers

994
00:44:12,230 --> 00:44:10,640
the abductees the experiencers in

995
00:44:13,510 --> 00:44:12,240
alphabetical order so you could just

996
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:13,520
start at the top

997
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:17,440
and work your way down and the amount of

998
00:44:20,870 --> 00:44:19,040
uh you didn't have to search you just

999
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,880
had to go to ufo mine and start reading

1000
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:22,480
is that what you were doing

1001
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:25,119
yeah absolutely i remember that website

1002
00:44:30,470 --> 00:44:27,200
i remember a few others as well where

1003
00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:30,480
it really did give me an encyclopedic

1004
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,160
sort of view of all this you know if

1005
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:34,000
there was if i was interested in crashes

1006
00:44:38,069 --> 00:44:35,440
i could go to crashes

1007
00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:38,079
um i was interested in documents go to

1008
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,280
documents um

1009
00:44:43,030 --> 00:44:41,280
i'm not sure if the black vault was

1010
00:44:46,870 --> 00:44:43,040
around back then i'm trying to remember

1011
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:46,880
yeah it started in in 95 96

1012
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:49,520
yeah i told john greenwald uh we're

1013
00:44:52,950 --> 00:44:51,280
going to move on for a second uh in a

1014
00:44:54,630 --> 00:44:52,960
second but i remember telling john

1015
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:54,640
greenwell when i found the black

1016
00:44:59,990 --> 00:44:58,000
vault i swear i

1017
00:45:01,750 --> 00:45:00,000
thought that the men in black were going

1018
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:01,760
to kick down my door

1019
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:04,960
right that this is oh man this is this

1020
00:45:10,630 --> 00:45:08,160
is the secret stuff right here right and

1021
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,640
uh and i was so thankful uh for those

1022
00:45:16,950 --> 00:45:12,640
two websites the black vault and and

1023
00:45:20,230 --> 00:45:16,960
ufo mind well okay so that period

1024
00:45:23,670 --> 00:45:20,240
we're sitting in 2020 i found you

1025
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:23,680
in 2013-ish

1026
00:45:31,910 --> 00:45:28,160
i'm i'm guessing there so between 95-96

1027
00:45:32,470 --> 00:45:31,920
that's that's about help me on the math

1028
00:45:34,870 --> 00:45:32,480
here

1029
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:34,880
it's about a 15-year period yeah of

1030
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:36,400
research that you were going through

1031
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:37,359
right

1032
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,400
yeah i mean my first interview i ever

1033
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:42,160
did with a ufo witness

1034
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:45,599
was at age 13. i interviewed a vietnam

1035
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:46,079
veteran

1036
00:45:49,190 --> 00:45:48,480
who had a ufo sighting over the pacific

1037
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:49,200
ocean

1038
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,839
so i dove right in man like from 12 to

1039
00:45:54,790 --> 00:45:54,000
13 i was ready to get out there and

1040
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:54,800
start

1041
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:57,040
talking to people and finding people who

1042
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:58,880
had seen these things and i was the

1043
00:46:02,069 --> 00:45:59,680
first

1044
00:46:04,150 --> 00:46:02,079
and last person that this vietnam vet

1045
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:04,160
ever told about his ufo sighting well

1046
00:46:07,670 --> 00:46:04,640
actually

1047
00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:07,680
passed away a few years after that so

1048
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:10,000
um i was honored you know that that was

1049
00:46:13,670 --> 00:46:11,520
the first person i ever

1050
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:13,680
interviewed about it and um like you

1051
00:46:18,390 --> 00:46:16,160
said decades passed i kind of

1052
00:46:19,349 --> 00:46:18,400
life took over whatever you know i

1053
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:19,359
played baseball

1054
00:46:25,349 --> 00:46:22,880
up until college and um that's when

1055
00:46:26,150 --> 00:46:25,359
i really started getting into stuff like

1056
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,160
uh

1057
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,640
at that time it was open minds was

1058
00:46:32,390 --> 00:46:30,079
around and i was really

1059
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:32,400
going looking into that stuff and i was

1060
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:33,440
a writer as well

1061
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:36,079
i went to school for english and um

1062
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:37,760
that's when i reached out to openminds

1063
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,720
and said hey

1064
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,800
you looking for any writers and they

1065
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,880
took a chance on me man and um that's

1066
00:46:46,470 --> 00:46:44,160
when i started

1067
00:46:47,510 --> 00:46:46,480
really diving in and writing about the

1068
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,520
topic

1069
00:46:52,470 --> 00:46:49,760
and um of course all the names started

1070
00:46:55,750 --> 00:46:52,480
popping up peter robbins richard dolan

1071
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:55,760
um you know barry greenwood mike hanks

1072
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:56,000
like

1073
00:46:59,270 --> 00:46:58,880
all these names be started to become you

1074
00:47:03,109 --> 00:46:59,280
know

1075
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:03,119
cruise it wasn't

1076
00:47:06,790 --> 00:47:05,119
these people on tv it was these people

1077
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,800
in this world that i'd found this

1078
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:08,400
subculture of ethology

1079
00:47:11,589 --> 00:47:11,200
now what's the difference between a

1080
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:11,599
young

1081
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:15,359
mindset like you had you still do

1082
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,960
but but back then uh versus the mindset

1083
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:20,640
of these other researchers that you're

1084
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:22,400
looking up to did you

1085
00:47:28,950 --> 00:47:25,920
approach the subject uh differently

1086
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:28,960
i mean i was i had the luxury of having

1087
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:29,839
the internet

1088
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:32,559
which i think is key you know i do i am

1089
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:33,680
part of the

1090
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:38,800
i guess gen x up to millennial cusp

1091
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,440
and uh i'm very fortunate that if i want

1092
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:43,440
to know something about ufos

1093
00:47:46,630 --> 00:47:45,920
i just type it in to a search engine

1094
00:47:49,109 --> 00:47:46,640
boom

1095
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:49,119
a lot of the people that i look up to

1096
00:47:53,349 --> 00:47:50,720
the old guard as it were

1097
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:53,359
didn't have that so you know i respect

1098
00:47:55,910 --> 00:47:55,200
the hell out of that these guys were out

1099
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:55,920
there

1100
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,119
traveling the country banging on doors

1101
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:01,839
and writing letters and doing the hard

1102
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:02,640
work

1103
00:48:07,109 --> 00:48:04,720
where anyone today can call themselves a

1104
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:07,119
ufo researcher myself included

1105
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:09,359
with a few clicks and look something up

1106
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:10,240
but um

1107
00:48:15,190 --> 00:48:12,079
you know i kind of took that from my

1108
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:15,200
mentor peter robbins of um

1109
00:48:18,950 --> 00:48:17,040
you gotta be a people person if you're

1110
00:48:20,069 --> 00:48:18,960
gonna interview people about having a

1111
00:48:22,630 --> 00:48:20,079
ufo encounter

1112
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:22,640
or a abduction experience you got to

1113
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:24,240
have some compassion man because no

1114
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:25,920
matter what you think happened

1115
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:28,640
to this person it was a profound

1116
00:48:32,309 --> 00:48:30,720
traumatic experience for them

1117
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:32,319
and that's when i really learned to be a

1118
00:48:35,349 --> 00:48:34,480
people person i mean the i can say that

1119
00:48:38,390 --> 00:48:35,359
the ufo

1120
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:38,400
field and uh whatever place i may have

1121
00:48:41,349 --> 00:48:39,119
in that

1122
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:41,359
has made me an extremely personable

1123
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:42,800
person and uh

1124
00:48:46,710 --> 00:48:45,200
i've made the best of friends through it

1125
00:48:49,829 --> 00:48:46,720
and um i've

1126
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:49,839
made allies and and formed bonds of

1127
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:51,440
trust that i don't think can ever be

1128
00:48:55,910 --> 00:48:52,640
broken and

1129
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:55,920
it's been amazing well how do you

1130
00:49:03,270 --> 00:48:59,440
uh how do you are are you a skeptic

1131
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:03,280
first and have you had your heart broken

1132
00:49:08,870 --> 00:49:06,400
uh for not being a skeptic

1133
00:49:09,670 --> 00:49:08,880
i've i've definitely had both i i think

1134
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:09,680
you know

1135
00:49:13,190 --> 00:49:12,559
like many people the the longer you do

1136
00:49:15,829 --> 00:49:13,200
this

1137
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,839
the more skeptical you become and i

1138
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:17,359
don't think that's a bad thing by any

1139
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:17,839
means i

1140
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:20,160
i would consider myself a a skeptic

1141
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:21,280
believer i i'm

1142
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:23,680
very open-minded i mean i remember the

1143
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:25,440
first time i sat down with a

1144
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:28,240
an abductee in person and talked to them

1145
00:49:31,430 --> 00:49:28,640
uh

1146
00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:31,440
i went in being like nah this might be a

1147
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:32,960
funny cool story

1148
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:36,720
and by the end man like this woman was

1149
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:38,800
grabbing her husband's hand bawling her

1150
00:49:42,950 --> 00:49:39,839
eyes out

1151
00:49:45,829 --> 00:49:42,960
and telling me this incredible story

1152
00:49:47,270 --> 00:49:45,839
of having been abducted by what she

1153
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:47,280
believed was

1154
00:49:52,390 --> 00:49:50,400
an intelligence from somewhere else and

1155
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:52,400
that really hit me that was a profound

1156
00:49:56,150 --> 00:49:53,839
moment for me to be like

1157
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:56,160
no matter what happened to this person

1158
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:57,119
it

1159
00:50:01,910 --> 00:50:00,400
completely changed them and she believed

1160
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:01,920
this happened to her

1161
00:50:06,150 --> 00:50:04,880
so i i really go back and forth it's a

1162
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:06,160
case-to-case basis

1163
00:50:12,150 --> 00:50:09,440
um but if anything i've learned to uh

1164
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:12,160
to kind of go into it with an open mind

1165
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,720
and then

1166
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:15,119
kind of narrow in and yeah i've

1167
00:50:18,069 --> 00:50:16,079
definitely had my

1168
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:18,079
heart broken a few times as we all do in

1169
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:19,680
this field um

1170
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:21,920
i know i've been lied to i know i've

1171
00:50:25,670 --> 00:50:23,119
been bs

1172
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:25,680
um i've changed my mind many times on

1173
00:50:28,470 --> 00:50:26,400
things

1174
00:50:29,510 --> 00:50:28,480
and if you can't do that this is not the

1175
00:50:31,829 --> 00:50:29,520
field to be in

1176
00:50:32,549 --> 00:50:31,839
trust me man yeah you got that right you

1177
00:50:36,150 --> 00:50:32,559
got that right

1178
00:50:38,870 --> 00:50:36,160
and i wanted to ask you um because of

1179
00:50:40,150 --> 00:50:38,880
your generation you have grown up around

1180
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:40,160
technology

1181
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:42,800
and not only is it the internet but it's

1182
00:50:48,710 --> 00:50:45,280
it's video games and it's artificial

1183
00:50:49,670 --> 00:50:48,720
uh augmented realities and and your

1184
00:50:52,470 --> 00:50:49,680
ability

1185
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:52,480
to develop a discernment from what is

1186
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:53,680
real like

1187
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:56,400
you know the alien autopsy for example

1188
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:57,440
um

1189
00:51:02,549 --> 00:51:01,440
how do you apply that knowledge your dna

1190
00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:02,559
is altered

1191
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:05,760
you're not the same human species that i

1192
00:51:09,510 --> 00:51:08,160
am your dna has been altered you're from

1193
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:09,520
a different generation

1194
00:51:16,309 --> 00:51:12,880
how do you approach videos and

1195
00:51:18,390 --> 00:51:16,319
and images uh today

1196
00:51:20,150 --> 00:51:18,400
it's so funny you bring this up i'm home

1197
00:51:22,390 --> 00:51:20,160
for the holidays and you know

1198
00:51:23,829 --> 00:51:22,400
there comes a point where your parent

1199
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:23,839
asks you to

1200
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:25,599
download an app for them on their phone

1201
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,200
or something and

1202
00:51:30,390 --> 00:51:29,359
for me it's just inherent i know

1203
00:51:32,710 --> 00:51:30,400
immediately what to do

1204
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,720
how to do it um for them i got to go

1205
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:34,400
step by step by step

1206
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:36,400
and that's the same for a lot of people

1207
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:38,079
my age and below is

1208
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:40,240
we are conditioned from birth to know

1209
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:41,760
how to use these things

1210
00:51:45,430 --> 00:51:44,160
i mean i've seen babies and strollers

1211
00:51:47,910 --> 00:51:45,440
with an ipad

1212
00:51:49,510 --> 00:51:47,920
and that just still does not process in

1213
00:51:52,790 --> 00:51:49,520
my mind like wow

1214
00:51:53,349 --> 00:51:52,800
so you know and for me we live in an age

1215
00:51:55,829 --> 00:51:53,359
where

1216
00:51:56,630 --> 00:51:55,839
you can put a ufo into a photo in your

1217
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:56,640
phone

1218
00:52:02,069 --> 00:52:00,079
within seconds so photos

1219
00:52:03,190 --> 00:52:02,079
videos for me it's not really where it's

1220
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:03,200
at i mean

1221
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:05,440
look we have these navy ufo videos that

1222
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:06,640
we've been talking about for

1223
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:10,400
three four years now um cool amazing

1224
00:52:16,470 --> 00:52:13,599
um some people think they're amazing

1225
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:16,480
to me it's just a video until those navy

1226
00:52:19,190 --> 00:52:17,280
pilots

1227
00:52:21,750 --> 00:52:19,200
and the people on the carriers started

1228
00:52:24,150 --> 00:52:21,760
coming forward and giving us context of

1229
00:52:26,549 --> 00:52:24,160
what we're looking at in that video

1230
00:52:28,470 --> 00:52:26,559
i didn't care so it's all about witness

1231
00:52:29,190 --> 00:52:28,480
testimony for me man i'm all about the

1232
00:52:32,069 --> 00:52:29,200
people

1233
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:32,079
who've had these experiences both the

1234
00:52:35,829 --> 00:52:33,280
editions of my book

1235
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:35,839
are about the people and the stories

1236
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:37,119
they have to tell

1237
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:38,800
and that might not mean anything to some

1238
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:41,280
ufo researchers who just want data

1239
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:42,880
just want the proof just want the

1240
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:44,319
evidence but

1241
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:46,319
i think every story has some sort of

1242
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:47,440
value and

1243
00:52:52,470 --> 00:52:50,640
adds to this huge tapestry of stuff

1244
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:52,480
that we're looking at and um only

1245
00:52:57,670 --> 00:52:54,319
strengthens a lot of the cases

1246
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:57,680
now um before we hit the break

1247
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:00,960
uh let me bring up something that is

1248
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:02,720
is obvious to everybody and that of

1249
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:05,280
course is is ttsa

1250
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:08,559
and tom de long and blink 182.

1251
00:53:14,470 --> 00:53:11,119
i i'm assuming uh because of your age

1252
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:14,480
blink 182 was a part of your life right

1253
00:53:18,309 --> 00:53:17,280
i i can admit i wish it's okay manny a

1254
00:53:21,430 --> 00:53:18,319
blink concert

1255
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:21,440
exactly that's my point so here

1256
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:23,520
comes i mean for me be like david lee

1257
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:24,880
roth you know

1258
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:28,079
coming out with a company uh for ufo

1259
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,280
research i would just be blown away uh

1260
00:53:35,109 --> 00:53:33,680
and here comes tom delong as this

1261
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:35,119
started to unfold

1262
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:37,839
uh three years ago uh how did you deal

1263
00:53:41,910 --> 00:53:40,000
with it

1264
00:53:43,990 --> 00:53:41,920
what's really interesting about that is

1265
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:44,000
i remember a colleague of mine uh jason

1266
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:45,760
mcclellan who used to work for open

1267
00:53:49,190 --> 00:53:46,480
minds

1268
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:49,200
uh i was at one of their ufo conferences

1269
00:53:51,670 --> 00:53:50,319
and we're just chilling

1270
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:51,680
you know having a nice dinner or

1271
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:53,920
whatever and i look back

1272
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:56,480
and there's tom delong out you know in

1273
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:57,520
the corner

1274
00:54:02,150 --> 00:53:59,920
and i'm like what what is the lead

1275
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:02,160
singer blink 182 doing at a

1276
00:54:05,430 --> 00:54:05,040
ufo conference and it just again like it

1277
00:54:07,510 --> 00:54:05,440
was

1278
00:54:09,990 --> 00:54:07,520
like seeing the ufo i could not process

1279
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:10,000
this process this in my mind

1280
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:12,079
and i remember asking jason like what

1281
00:54:15,430 --> 00:54:13,040
what's going on here

1282
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:15,440
oh yeah he's super into ufos man he's

1283
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:17,040
been studying this topic

1284
00:54:21,270 --> 00:54:18,880
he probably knows more than most ufo

1285
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:21,280
researchers out there blah blah blah

1286
00:54:26,150 --> 00:54:24,319
and that really uh intrigued me

1287
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:26,160
and so i started going through my head

1288
00:54:29,510 --> 00:54:28,079
and listening to all these blink songs

1289
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:29,520
and yeah man he's bringing up

1290
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:32,000
mj12 he's bringing up aliens and all his

1291
00:54:35,589 --> 00:54:32,880
songs

1292
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:35,599
and then boom the whole ttsa thing

1293
00:54:40,870 --> 00:54:37,040
starts so

1294
00:54:43,990 --> 00:54:40,880
of course like many i was very um

1295
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:44,000
mystified um but at the same time

1296
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:46,480
i could see it i i could understand why

1297
00:54:49,190 --> 00:54:47,680
someone like him

1298
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:49,200
who'd been singing about aliens his

1299
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:50,960
whole life had been reading all the

1300
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,880
books while he's on the tour bus with

1301
00:54:56,549 --> 00:54:54,720
blink

1302
00:54:58,309 --> 00:54:56,559
why he would want to try something like

1303
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:58,319
this he's an ambitious dude

1304
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:00,559
no matter what you think of ttsa or the

1305
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:02,000
people involved

1306
00:55:07,109 --> 00:55:05,200
this guy knows his stuff tom delong and

1307
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,119
he has a hunger and passion

1308
00:55:10,789 --> 00:55:09,920
for this topic so um i'm no tom delong

1309
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:10,799
apologist

1310
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:12,960
all i could say is i understand his

1311
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,400
hunger and excitement

1312
00:55:18,390 --> 00:55:17,119
to look into this topic and to do

1313
00:55:22,230 --> 00:55:18,400
something with his money

1314
00:55:22,710 --> 00:55:22,240
i mean this he's probably losing money

1315
00:55:25,910 --> 00:55:22,720
on this

1316
00:55:30,309 --> 00:55:25,920
oh he's definitely lost money but yeah

1317
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:30,319
but um as a member of this community

1318
00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:30,720
you're an

1319
00:55:33,910 --> 00:55:32,559
author you're a host you're a television

1320
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:33,920
host

1321
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:37,280
you're part of the community now do you

1322
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:41,200
feel that the monopoly

1323
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:45,520
of information that ttsa wanted to be

1324
00:55:48,870 --> 00:55:47,200
right they wanted to be the bringer of

1325
00:55:51,430 --> 00:55:48,880
everything and the answer

1326
00:55:53,190 --> 00:55:51,440
uh to everything were you concerned

1327
00:55:57,030 --> 00:55:53,200
about that

1328
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:57,040
yes and i anyone who says they weren't

1329
00:56:03,030 --> 00:56:00,960
i i have a hard time believing that um

1330
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:03,040
i mean look man when that first new york

1331
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:04,480
times article hit

1332
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:07,680
uh and sort of ttsa was the

1333
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:11,440
the poster child for ufology

1334
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:15,359
um yeah it was r it was hard cause

1335
00:56:18,630 --> 00:56:17,839
not even me but the old guard had been

1336
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:18,640
doing this for

1337
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:22,000
50 years trying to find answers and get

1338
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:24,000
credit for the things that they did

1339
00:56:27,349 --> 00:56:26,960
and then along comes this rock star who

1340
00:56:30,309 --> 00:56:27,359
just

1341
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:30,319
becomes the face of it is that is that a

1342
00:56:34,870 --> 00:56:31,280
tattoo

1343
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:34,880
yeah it is let me see it yeah this is

1344
00:56:39,430 --> 00:56:36,559
i'm just gonna let the audience know

1345
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,440
he's got a tattoo on his forearm

1346
00:56:42,870 --> 00:56:41,760
takes up the whole forum it's a um i

1347
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:42,880
don't know if you can see it it's a

1348
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:44,240
typewriter oh

1349
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:47,200
it is a typewriter yeah yeah top half of

1350
00:56:49,670 --> 00:56:48,960
a typewriter it almost looks like the

1351
00:56:52,710 --> 00:56:49,680
silhouette

1352
00:56:53,910 --> 00:56:52,720
of uh of an interstellar spacecraft from

1353
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:53,920
star wars

1354
00:56:57,190 --> 00:56:55,599
i'm gonna go with that yeah that's

1355
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:57,200
pretty cool yeah he's

1356
00:57:01,990 --> 00:57:00,400
you know um let everybody know ryan is

1357
00:57:04,150 --> 00:57:02,000
just all animated

1358
00:57:05,910 --> 00:57:04,160
and i'm seeing this massive uh tattoo

1359
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:05,920
here um

1360
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:09,599
uh okay so back to where where was i

1361
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:12,640
um um having

1362
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:16,160
having the market cornered is is not a

1363
00:57:19,990 --> 00:57:16,880
good thing

1364
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:20,000
monopoly is not good anywhere but the

1365
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:21,760
motivation that they have done with the

1366
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:23,760
media there's no question about it

1367
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:26,000
where where they have elevated things

1368
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:29,760
and on december 17 2017

1369
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:32,160
i'm driving in my car i almost crashed

1370
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:32,799
it

1371
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:37,680
noon ufos are reels for the pentagon's

1372
00:57:41,589 --> 00:57:38,400
got a secret

1373
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:41,599
it's like what and i i i

1374
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:42,880
went straight to the bunker and we

1375
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:45,599
broadcasted live on a saturday

1376
00:57:53,670 --> 00:57:50,079
uh the days of disclosure um today

1377
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:53,680
my excitement is is is not what it was

1378
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:56,160
three years ago has your excitement come

1379
00:58:00,309 --> 00:57:58,240
down

1380
00:58:01,990 --> 00:58:00,319
it ebbs and flows i mean i feel like

1381
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:02,000
every time one of these new york times

1382
00:58:05,510 --> 00:58:03,200
articles hits

1383
00:58:08,069 --> 00:58:05,520
it's just like the mainstream media it

1384
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:08,079
it comes to kind of a fever pitch and

1385
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:09,200
then it disappears

1386
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:11,760
you know we had this again recently i

1387
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:13,359
think it was um

1388
00:58:16,950 --> 00:58:15,920
you know in the middle of 2020 where the

1389
00:58:19,109 --> 00:58:16,960
the off-world

1390
00:58:21,990 --> 00:58:19,119
vehicle article hit the new york times

1391
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:22,000
and everyone got all up in a rise again

1392
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:24,799
um so yeah man i i totally understand

1393
00:58:30,390 --> 00:58:27,040
that i think when that first article hit

1394
00:58:32,309 --> 00:58:30,400
it really was a shift in the the overall

1395
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:32,319
consciousness on this topic

1396
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:35,680
and i can flat out say we have the new

1397
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,359
york times we have

1398
00:58:40,390 --> 00:58:39,599
to the stars we have other people behind

1399
00:58:42,230 --> 00:58:40,400
the scenes

1400
00:58:43,910 --> 00:58:42,240
who made that happen and i will be

1401
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:43,920
forever thankful for that

1402
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,760
i mean this topic is bigger now than

1403
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:47,119
it's been in god

1404
00:58:51,510 --> 00:58:50,160
decades now now why yes yes and i'm

1405
00:58:54,549 --> 00:58:51,520
going to interrupt because i've got

1406
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:54,559
uh 45 seconds before the break do you

1407
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:57,440
feel that ttsa took their foot off the

1408
00:59:06,069 --> 00:59:03,270
i think and you know i again

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00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:06,079
i i don't support ttsa financially

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00:59:09,829 --> 00:59:08,160
anything like that i'm not one of these

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00:59:11,750 --> 00:59:09,839
you know super fans of the company

1412
00:59:15,030 --> 00:59:11,760
either i like to keep a distance

1413
00:59:17,910 --> 00:59:15,040
as a objective journalist and researcher

1414
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:17,920
um i think they did what they set out to

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do

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00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:21,359
they wanted to get stuff going policies

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00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:22,720
made within government

1418
00:59:27,670 --> 00:59:25,920
to look at this stuff and they did it so

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00:59:28,230 --> 00:59:27,680
i mean i don't know where to go from

1420
00:59:30,630 --> 00:59:28,240
here

1421
00:59:32,069 --> 00:59:30,640
maybe we could look at some crashed

1422
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,079
wreckage from a ufo

1423
00:59:35,349 --> 00:59:34,240
and have them look at that but look man

1424
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:35,359
they said flat out

1425
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:37,359
we did what we came here to do like the

1426
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rest is up to the public

1427
00:59:42,309 --> 00:59:42,079
and the government so yeah i i could see

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00:59:47,430 --> 00:59:42,319
the

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00:59:49,470 --> 00:59:47,440
something else

1430
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:49,480
in our laps like they did in december of

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2017.

1432
00:59:55,030 --> 00:59:53,599
21 uh 2021 is right around the corner

1433
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:55,040
let's take our break

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00:59:58,069 --> 00:59:57,200
our guests tonight ryan sprague this is

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fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church want to remind

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everybody tomorrow night james fox

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is here to talk about the phenomenon uh

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wednesday night ronnie dugdale live from

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the uk

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then of course thursday night is

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christmas eve and we're going to have a

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fader night open lines all night long

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i'm yours jimmy church this is fade to

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black and the game changer network and

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[Music]

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01:05:36,230 --> 01:05:34,710
welcome back fade to black i'm real

1574
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jimmy church our guest tonight ryan

1575
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sprague

1576
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somewhere in the skies i want to remind

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everybody

1578
01:05:44,950 --> 01:05:43,200
it is christmas week here and tomorrow

1579
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night we have james fox

1580
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the phenomenon wednesday night ronnie

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doug dale live from the uk

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and then thursday night's christmas eve

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all right uh

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ryan's break is our guest ryan did you

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go outside and check out the the great

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yes i did yeah it's pretty cool man i

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mean it was

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pretty far away but um i was able to

1590
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catch it did you vibe

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i vibed i was vibing hard now you're in

1592
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new york

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your

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but are you where do you are you in new

1595
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york city proper

1596
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yeah so i live in queens um i'm like uh

1597
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i'm a peter parker

1598
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all the way right and um yeah man i've

1599
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been there for about 10 years

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took a two-year stint in l.a but i'm

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back in new york and

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visiting family for the holidays so i

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wouldn't have it any other way

1604
01:06:38,230 --> 01:06:37,520
no no absolutely not uh but i have to

1605
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ask you

1606
01:06:43,710 --> 01:06:41,680
uh what's new york like now over this

1607
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last year

1608
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unrecognizable i mean again i've been

1609
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there for about 10 years i was not there

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for 9 11

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so um you know some have compared it to

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that but

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it it's it's crazy man

1614
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i mean a ghost town i mean you walk out

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of your apartment in new york city

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and you just feel the energy it's

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everywhere you're right and that's what

1618
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i love about living there and i mean

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now it's just i i live near a hospital

1620
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too

1621
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which is tough you know i'm hearing

1622
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sirens every two seconds

1623
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:16,319
i'm hearing helicopters bringing people

1624
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in on the roof

1625
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:20,880
every night it's just it's crazy so um

1626
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i take every chance i can to get away

1627
01:07:27,670 --> 01:07:24,000
from it and what about

1628
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:27,680
uh a job what are you doing

1629
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so right now i'm doing uh the podcast is

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my

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i um

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i do writing gigs i'm working for um you

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know the debrief the new website that

1634
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just came out doing news

1635
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for them but my job uh was

1636
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on broadway i again you know new york i

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moved to the big apple and uh

1638
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:51,760
god knows when that's ever coming back

1639
01:07:54,710 --> 01:07:54,000
so it's been tough man it's been tough i

1640
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can't lie

1641
01:08:01,029 --> 01:07:58,079
yeah it's it's something that i've said

1642
01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:01,039
so many times in my life um new york

1643
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city is the greatest

1644
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:04,960
city in the world there's you know

1645
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:05,760
moscow

1646
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:10,640
london rome yeah okay it ain't new york

1647
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:14,160
new york is its own thing and

1648
01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:17,600
um you get especially when you're coming

1649
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:19,040
in from out of town

1650
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you come in from jfk you go into

1651
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manhattan

1652
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:25,839
and then you get out of the cab and put

1653
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your foot on the ground

1654
01:08:31,349 --> 01:08:28,799
and the electricity just rolls up your

1655
01:08:33,510 --> 01:08:31,359
leg right it's just the most exciting

1656
01:08:34,709 --> 01:08:33,520
people and things if you're just looking

1657
01:08:37,990 --> 01:08:34,719
around you're like oh my god

1658
01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:38,000
it's real right um but that vibe

1659
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:40,960
has disappeared hasn't it it has but you

1660
01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:43,440
know man i mean i think there's a lot of

1661
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:46,400
uh misconceptions of new york too

1662
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:47,920
everyone's you know

1663
01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:50,400
super rude and always in a hurry and

1664
01:08:54,149 --> 01:08:52,159
this that but i will tell you

1665
01:08:56,870 --> 01:08:54,159
um when this pandemic first hit and i

1666
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:56,880
was there during the first lockdown

1667
01:09:01,510 --> 01:08:59,759
i it was such a community it's the

1668
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:01,520
nicest people you can think of coming

1669
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:02,239
together

1670
01:09:05,189 --> 01:09:03,520
because look man they've been there

1671
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:05,199
before they've dealt with some tragic

1672
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:05,520
stuff

1673
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:08,400
in that city and when things go wrong

1674
01:09:11,990 --> 01:09:09,199
everyone

1675
01:09:14,070 --> 01:09:12,000
really bands together so um while it's

1676
01:09:16,149 --> 01:09:14,080
unrecognizable and it's different

1677
01:09:17,749 --> 01:09:16,159
it's still new york it's still the place

1678
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:17,759
i love i call home

1679
01:09:22,470 --> 01:09:20,799
um but yeah i cannot lie when i say it

1680
01:09:23,030 --> 01:09:22,480
is not the same and it probably never

1681
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:23,040
will be

1682
01:09:26,470 --> 01:09:25,040
like the rest of the world yeah yep yep

1683
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:26,480
yep it's a crazy time

1684
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:28,560
and so the reason why i'm asking you

1685
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:30,080
this does this

1686
01:09:33,749 --> 01:09:31,920
enable you well obviously there's the

1687
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:33,759
debrief in writing and

1688
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:36,960
and your podcast but does this open up

1689
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:39,520
uh time for other research that you've

1690
01:09:45,430 --> 01:09:41,920
always wanted to get done

1691
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:45,440
yes absolutely i mean i my library is

1692
01:09:48,309 --> 01:09:47,120
probably as big as the next ufo

1693
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:48,319
researcher so

1694
01:09:54,550 --> 01:09:51,520
i finally have time to sit down and just

1695
01:09:56,870 --> 01:09:54,560
dig dig dig through these old files

1696
01:09:59,189 --> 01:09:56,880
and books and i'm making my way through

1697
01:10:01,430 --> 01:09:59,199
the four volumes of jacques valet's

1698
01:10:03,189 --> 01:10:01,440
forbidden science right now which i

1699
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:03,199
never had the luxury or time to do

1700
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:04,800
i mean you know new york city i'm

1701
01:10:07,590 --> 01:10:06,800
working four jobs at a time just to pay

1702
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:07,600
my rent

1703
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:10,400
but now man like i you mentioned

1704
01:10:15,189 --> 01:10:12,239
something earlier in your show of

1705
01:10:16,310 --> 01:10:15,199
some of the greatest stuff happens

1706
01:10:18,870 --> 01:10:16,320
during these times

1707
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:18,880
that's right a pandemic or you know look

1708
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:20,719
at all the amazing things that came out

1709
01:10:24,870 --> 01:10:22,800
during the um

1710
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:24,880
you know when the first spanish flu hit

1711
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:26,239
or things like that

1712
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:27,920
so i have no doubt we're gonna see a

1713
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:29,360
renaissance happen again

1714
01:10:33,669 --> 01:10:33,120
whether it's creatively or um in the ufo

1715
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:33,679
field

1716
01:10:37,750 --> 01:10:35,520
i mean i'm on the phone every other day

1717
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:37,760
with micah hanks because he's one of the

1718
01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:39,760
biggest history nerds i know

1719
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:42,000
when it comes to the ufo topic and just

1720
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:42,960
being like

1721
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:45,440
dude did you know about all these cases

1722
01:10:50,229 --> 01:10:48,239
back in the 1700s 1600s and i finally

1723
01:10:52,790 --> 01:10:50,239
have someone to talk to about it so

1724
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:52,800
it has been extremely enlightening and

1725
01:10:56,950 --> 01:10:55,040
exciting to finally have the time to

1726
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:56,960
really do the research i've always

1727
01:11:02,070 --> 01:10:58,080
wanted to do

1728
01:11:04,950 --> 01:11:02,080
between uh the age of 12

1729
01:11:05,990 --> 01:11:04,960
uh to now you had the big sighting over

1730
01:11:09,990 --> 01:11:06,000
the water

1731
01:11:16,229 --> 01:11:13,189
a few here and there i had a um a pretty

1732
01:11:17,590 --> 01:11:16,239
i would say not non-event but definitely

1733
01:11:19,189 --> 01:11:17,600
something that could probably be

1734
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,199
explainable in queens

1735
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:21,840
when i was living there um i was walking

1736
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,679
home from work i saw

1737
01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:25,520
you know a light in the sky it was

1738
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,280
moving very erratically

1739
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:29,520
and i'm telling you the minute i stopped

1740
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:31,440
to look at it is when it shot up

1741
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:33,760
and out of sight but i live right near

1742
01:11:37,030 --> 01:11:34,800
laguardia

1743
01:11:39,510 --> 01:11:37,040
so it could have been anything man it

1744
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:39,520
honestly could have been anything but um

1745
01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:42,960
i will say that that ufo event in 95

1746
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:44,960
that was it for me i it was my

1747
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:46,400
initiation event

1748
01:11:50,229 --> 01:11:48,480
into this topic i've never had an

1749
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:50,239
experience like that since

1750
01:11:54,149 --> 01:11:53,120
um i'd love to i'd love to see something

1751
01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:54,159
again but um

1752
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:56,080
if that's all i get in this lifetime i'm

1753
01:11:59,110 --> 01:11:57,280
totally happy with that

1754
01:12:01,189 --> 01:11:59,120
because it got me where i am today now

1755
01:12:02,470 --> 01:12:01,199
you brought up jacques valet he brought

1756
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:02,480
up stanton friedman

1757
01:12:06,790 --> 01:12:06,239
um micah who uh i love dearly who i

1758
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:06,800
think is

1759
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:09,760
the most skeptic skeptic of all skeptics

1760
01:12:14,630 --> 01:12:10,640
and

1761
01:12:17,590 --> 01:12:14,640
it comes to a lot of these subjects

1762
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:17,600
but what do you think ultimately is

1763
01:12:22,229 --> 01:12:18,880
going on

1764
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:22,239
uh with contact because

1765
01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:25,199
you have the extremes you have jacques

1766
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:26,800
valet

1767
01:12:31,030 --> 01:12:28,400
interdimensional there's something

1768
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:31,040
probably spiritual going on here

1769
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:33,040
and then you swing it over to stanton

1770
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:34,640
friedman and you've got

1771
01:12:39,669 --> 01:12:37,120
you know nuclear propulsion nuts and

1772
01:12:43,110 --> 01:12:39,679
bolts aircraft that that are visiting

1773
01:12:45,430 --> 01:12:43,120
us probably piloted right so

1774
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:45,440
where where where are you in that broad

1775
01:12:50,390 --> 01:12:46,560
spectrum

1776
01:12:52,709 --> 01:12:50,400
cannot pretend jimmy

1777
01:12:54,550 --> 01:12:52,719
to know where i lay i feel like i change

1778
01:12:56,310 --> 01:12:54,560
my mind every day like i said

1779
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:56,320
earlier changing your mind is probably

1780
01:13:01,110 --> 01:12:58,080
the most healthy thing you can do

1781
01:13:01,830 --> 01:13:01,120
in this field um and i think it's

1782
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:01,840
everything

1783
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:06,159
i mean why why does a ufo have to be

1784
01:13:10,709 --> 01:13:08,880
an intelligence from zeta reticuli maybe

1785
01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:10,719
one is but what about this event that

1786
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:11,520
happened

1787
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:14,640
you know to this person over here um so

1788
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:16,880
i'm all about it man interdimensional us

1789
01:13:21,110 --> 01:13:18,000
from the future

1790
01:13:23,510 --> 01:13:21,120
aliens you name it angelic i mean

1791
01:13:25,270 --> 01:13:23,520
like you said some of these events it

1792
01:13:25,910 --> 01:13:25,280
really depends on the lens you look at

1793
01:13:28,310 --> 01:13:25,920
it through

1794
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:28,320
if someone's a spiritual person and they

1795
01:13:31,910 --> 01:13:30,080
have a ufo event

1796
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:31,920
maybe they think it was angelic maybe

1797
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:33,520
they think it was a miracle

1798
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:36,800
look at um you know the the um

1799
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:40,239
what's the one the magdalen you know the

1800
01:13:44,709 --> 01:13:42,960
the the the sighting back that the kids

1801
01:13:47,430 --> 01:13:44,719
had of the virgin mary

1802
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:47,440
i mean someone like chuck valet says

1803
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:47,920
that was

1804
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:49,280
could have been one of the first ufo

1805
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:51,280
events yeah that that

1806
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:54,320
still uh perplexes me and

1807
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:57,520
and the reason why uh that uh as you're

1808
01:14:02,470 --> 01:13:59,120
talking about portugal

1809
01:14:04,470 --> 01:14:02,480
and um that there were

1810
01:14:06,310 --> 01:14:04,480
a few different things that happened but

1811
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:06,320
one of those events

1812
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:10,320
allegedly uh had 25 000 people

1813
01:14:16,790 --> 01:14:13,520
you know watching uh a craft uh

1814
01:14:19,270 --> 01:14:16,800
up in the sky now if you go back to the

1815
01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:19,280
early 1900s

1816
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:22,320
there wasn't anything in the sky

1817
01:14:29,750 --> 01:14:26,080
there just wasn't uh aircraft were rare

1818
01:14:32,870 --> 01:14:29,760
so what was it uh that they saw

1819
01:14:33,990 --> 01:14:32,880
and of course they made it a religious

1820
01:14:36,950 --> 01:14:34,000
experience

1821
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:36,960
you know and and only because of the

1822
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:38,400
messages that were

1823
01:14:42,630 --> 01:14:41,280
brought forward by uh the three kids

1824
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,640
yeah it's

1825
01:14:46,070 --> 01:14:44,640
yeah yeah yeah you're definitely right

1826
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:46,080
about that um

1827
01:14:52,790 --> 01:14:49,440
but now let's shift gears

1828
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:52,800
today so many

1829
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:55,199
researchers you know i'm going to use

1830
01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:56,880
air quotes on that

1831
01:15:03,229 --> 01:15:00,159
are in this community now only

1832
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:03,239
because of december 17

1833
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:06,960
2017 their research

1834
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:10,239
is from that moment forward

1835
01:15:13,750 --> 01:15:12,239
and they're interested in the subject

1836
01:15:16,070 --> 01:15:13,760
without the history

1837
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:16,080
or netherlands to look is that a

1838
01:15:19,189 --> 01:15:17,600
dangerous zone

1839
01:15:20,790 --> 01:15:19,199
uh for the internet to be paying

1840
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:20,800
attention to

1841
01:15:23,990 --> 01:15:23,600
it's limiting absolutely i mean again i

1842
01:15:26,229 --> 01:15:24,000
don't

1843
01:15:27,030 --> 01:15:26,239
think we can move forward without

1844
01:15:29,910 --> 01:15:27,040
looking back

1845
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:29,920
if i had just started with you know the

1846
01:15:34,310 --> 01:15:31,280
rendelsham event

1847
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:34,320
um a big case that my mentor peter

1848
01:15:38,950 --> 01:15:35,840
robbins was a part of

1849
01:15:40,390 --> 01:15:38,960
uh whether he likes it or not uh then

1850
01:15:42,070 --> 01:15:40,400
i think i would be doing a huge

1851
01:15:43,669 --> 01:15:42,080
disservice to my own research and not

1852
01:15:45,189 --> 01:15:43,679
looking what came before it

1853
01:15:48,070 --> 01:15:45,199
maybe there was an explanation for

1854
01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:48,080
something that happened in 2018

1855
01:15:52,149 --> 01:15:51,040
1920 that was that happened back in the

1856
01:15:54,709 --> 01:15:52,159
80s so

1857
01:15:56,870 --> 01:15:54,719
i think it's extremely important to know

1858
01:15:59,110 --> 01:15:56,880
the history of this topic whenever

1859
01:16:01,590 --> 01:15:59,120
uh younger people and i'm talking

1860
01:16:01,990 --> 01:16:01,600
teenagers or in their early 20s come to

1861
01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:02,000
me

1862
01:16:09,189 --> 01:16:06,080
exciting

1863
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:09,199
for me that i'm no longer the young gun

1864
01:16:12,790 --> 01:16:11,440
you know i can now bring it pass it on

1865
01:16:14,790 --> 01:16:12,800
to younger people

1866
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:14,800
um who are interested in this topic i

1867
01:16:19,350 --> 01:16:16,320
tell them start reading

1868
01:16:22,149 --> 01:16:19,360
go back read richard dolan's two volumes

1869
01:16:22,950 --> 01:16:22,159
of national security state uh read jock

1870
01:16:24,870 --> 01:16:22,960
valet

1871
01:16:25,990 --> 01:16:24,880
because if you don't know where this

1872
01:16:28,709 --> 01:16:26,000
topic has been

1873
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:28,719
you are you have no right knowing where

1874
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:30,800
it's going moving forward in my personal

1875
01:16:34,070 --> 01:16:32,080
opinion so

1876
01:16:35,189 --> 01:16:34,080
i think it's cool that so many people

1877
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:35,199
got interested

1878
01:16:41,430 --> 01:16:38,320
since 2017 and ttsa

1879
01:16:42,709 --> 01:16:41,440
uh but look you got to put in the dirty

1880
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:42,719
work i mean

1881
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:46,000
i'm talking 13 man that's when i first

1882
01:16:49,990 --> 01:16:48,080
had the courage to go up to a vietnam

1883
01:16:51,430 --> 01:16:50,000
vet and say tell me about your ufo

1884
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:51,440
experience so

1885
01:16:55,189 --> 01:16:54,640
um yeah now uh i wanted to ask you this

1886
01:16:56,950 --> 01:16:55,199
because

1887
01:16:58,229 --> 01:16:56,960
you keep saying that now you're passing

1888
01:17:01,510 --> 01:16:58,239
the torch to the young

1889
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:01,520
just blows my mind but

1890
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:05,920
take me to your first ufo conference

1891
01:17:11,310 --> 01:17:08,159
all right my first one would have to be

1892
01:17:12,950 --> 01:17:11,320
i believe it was about

1893
01:17:16,070 --> 01:17:12,960
2011 maybe

1894
01:17:18,550 --> 01:17:16,080
i want to say i i

1895
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:18,560
volunteered at the ufo congress that's

1896
01:17:22,870 --> 01:17:19,199
what it was

1897
01:17:26,950 --> 01:17:22,880
in in arizona in arizona i said

1898
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:26,960
look i will i will um get you coffee

1899
01:17:30,470 --> 01:17:28,960
i will clean the bathrooms i don't care

1900
01:17:31,910 --> 01:17:30,480
just get me to arizona

1901
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:31,920
i want to see what these things are all

1902
01:17:35,990 --> 01:17:33,679
about and

1903
01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:36,000
i got there man and they put me to work

1904
01:17:40,550 --> 01:17:37,440
i was backstage doing

1905
01:17:42,550 --> 01:17:40,560
sound i was running uh interviews i was

1906
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:42,560
helping to sell t-shirts whatever i had

1907
01:17:45,990 --> 01:17:44,000
to do to get involved with this

1908
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:46,000
thing and then i worked my way up every

1909
01:17:48,630 --> 01:17:47,760
year man until i was on that stage

1910
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:48,640
speaking

1911
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:51,280
some years later now and so that's what

1912
01:17:53,910 --> 01:17:52,159
i wanted to

1913
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:53,920
ask you about when you go to your first

1914
01:17:58,470 --> 01:17:56,000
ufo conference

1915
01:18:00,470 --> 01:17:58,480
it's the speakers that's exciting and oh

1916
01:18:01,590 --> 01:18:00,480
there's stan friedman right okay i get

1917
01:18:04,149 --> 01:18:01,600
that part of it

1918
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:04,159
but it's also the attendees that are the

1919
01:18:07,510 --> 01:18:04,960
miracle

1920
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:07,520
of uh uh that make these events so much

1921
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:08,320
fun

1922
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:11,280
were you getting into the the community

1923
01:18:14,550 --> 01:18:12,000
side of it

1924
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:14,560
and and and talking to people about the

1925
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:15,360
subject

1926
01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:17,199
i mean your first ufo conference is a

1927
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:19,679
pretty extraordinary experience

1928
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:23,520
it was overwhelming it was weird

1929
01:18:27,669 --> 01:18:26,800
it was awkward but it was also extremely

1930
01:18:29,270 --> 01:18:27,679
powerful

1931
01:18:30,870 --> 01:18:29,280
i mean you have people from all over the

1932
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:30,880
world attending this thing

1933
01:18:35,270 --> 01:18:32,800
and that's that really solidified

1934
01:18:38,229 --> 01:18:35,280
something for me not so much of like

1935
01:18:40,630 --> 01:18:38,239
wow this is interesting this is cool but

1936
01:18:43,110 --> 01:18:40,640
people actually take this seriously

1937
01:18:45,350 --> 01:18:43,120
i mean you had like you said stanton

1938
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:45,360
friedman up on that stage you had

1939
01:18:50,870 --> 01:18:48,800
a former military officer telling

1940
01:18:52,709 --> 01:18:50,880
us that they saw something land in a

1941
01:18:55,830 --> 01:18:52,719
forest in 1980

1942
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:55,840
and they couldn't explain it and wow man

1943
01:19:00,630 --> 01:18:58,480
to like to be backstage and literally

1944
01:19:03,669 --> 01:19:00,640
have that person's

1945
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:03,679
voice feeding into my headphones uh

1946
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:06,080
it shook me i was like this isn't just a

1947
01:19:10,709 --> 01:19:07,199
cool little

1948
01:19:11,750 --> 01:19:10,719
chintzy thing with aliens and crystals

1949
01:19:15,030 --> 01:19:11,760
and selling stuff

1950
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:15,040
like these people take this seriously

1951
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:18,880
and i i just it opened my eyes not only

1952
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:20,560
to the community but um

1953
01:19:24,470 --> 01:19:22,400
just the fact that people were willing

1954
01:19:26,229 --> 01:19:24,480
to put their reputations

1955
01:19:27,590 --> 01:19:26,239
and careers on the line to come out and

1956
01:19:30,630 --> 01:19:27,600
talk about this

1957
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:30,640
and um were you the same were you the

1958
01:19:35,350 --> 01:19:32,800
youngest person there

1959
01:19:36,310 --> 01:19:35,360
don't don't lie don't lie straight up

1960
01:19:39,110 --> 01:19:36,320
that time i was

1961
01:19:39,590 --> 01:19:39,120
yeah dude nobody took me seriously and

1962
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:39,600
they

1963
01:19:46,149 --> 01:19:43,840
had to earn my keep i had to do the

1964
01:19:47,110 --> 01:19:46,159
interviews i had to work my way up until

1965
01:19:50,550 --> 01:19:47,120
finally

1966
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:50,560
i had some time with richard dolan and i

1967
01:19:53,510 --> 01:19:51,120
said

1968
01:19:55,830 --> 01:19:53,520
could i just talk to you for like 10

1969
01:19:57,750 --> 01:19:55,840
minutes on my little iphone here

1970
01:19:59,910 --> 01:19:57,760
and he was like yeah man come up to my

1971
01:20:02,630 --> 01:19:59,920
hotel room let's sit let's have a chat

1972
01:20:04,070 --> 01:20:02,640
and again like it took me three four

1973
01:20:07,110 --> 01:20:04,080
years to gather the courage

1974
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:07,120
and um to gather the respect of people

1975
01:20:12,070 --> 01:20:08,719
to do something like that

1976
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:12,080
how has it uh changed uh

1977
01:20:16,149 --> 01:20:14,560
for you as an observer at the

1978
01:20:19,110 --> 01:20:16,159
conferences

1979
01:20:21,590 --> 01:20:19,120
were was it an older generation uh back

1980
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:21,600
in 2011 versus now

1981
01:20:28,229 --> 01:20:24,800
where the uh the age ranges may feel

1982
01:20:28,629 --> 01:20:28,239
a little bit more diverse yes and not

1983
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:28,639
only

1984
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:35,280
at um gender you look at uh

1985
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:38,320
ethnicity i think this topic has

1986
01:20:43,030 --> 01:20:42,239
diversified immensely even since i got

1987
01:20:46,629 --> 01:20:43,040
involved

1988
01:20:50,070 --> 01:20:46,639
i mean yeah 2011 maybe a little earlier

1989
01:20:53,189 --> 01:20:50,080
it was all you know white dudes

1990
01:20:55,669 --> 01:20:53,199
gray hair tweed suits and that was

1991
01:20:56,470 --> 01:20:55,679
it man and then maybe a couple rebels

1992
01:20:59,110 --> 01:20:56,480
here and there

1993
01:21:00,950 --> 01:20:59,120
working their way up but now i remember

1994
01:21:02,709 --> 01:21:00,960
the last conference i went to

1995
01:21:04,790 --> 01:21:02,719
there were families there there were

1996
01:21:07,669 --> 01:21:04,800
kids there every

1997
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:07,679
religious um you know belief system

1998
01:21:11,669 --> 01:21:09,920
every ethnicity every nationality

1999
01:21:13,110 --> 01:21:11,679
showing up to these things so i think

2000
01:21:15,590 --> 01:21:13,120
it's awesome that

2001
01:21:16,790 --> 01:21:15,600
finally a topic that could change

2002
01:21:22,470 --> 01:21:16,800
humanity

2003
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:22,480
not like this just one thing that we

2004
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:24,080
were used to seeing at these things

2005
01:21:27,750 --> 01:21:26,080
yeah yeah it blows my mind you know i'll

2006
01:21:30,229 --> 01:21:27,760
be at these conferences and

2007
01:21:30,870 --> 01:21:30,239
and have somebody 10 11 years old you

2008
01:21:34,629 --> 01:21:30,880
know come up

2009
01:21:36,149 --> 01:21:34,639
jimmy can you sign my t-shirt what

2010
01:21:38,149 --> 01:21:36,159
are you kidding me i listen to every

2011
01:21:38,629 --> 01:21:38,159
show man tell me what's richard dolan

2012
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:38,639
like

2013
01:21:42,709 --> 01:21:40,239
well you want to meet him he's right

2014
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:42,719
over there and it blows my mind you're

2015
01:21:47,669 --> 01:21:44,080
absolutely right

2016
01:21:50,790 --> 01:21:47,679
um okay i'm gonna i'm gonna share this

2017
01:21:54,950 --> 01:21:50,800
because you know richard dolan well

2018
01:21:58,390 --> 01:21:54,960
um i hope he's listening the first night

2019
01:21:59,990 --> 01:21:58,400
i met richard uh we're doing a lot this

2020
01:22:02,790 --> 01:22:00,000
is seven years ago

2021
01:22:04,550 --> 01:22:02,800
we're doing a live uh fade to black

2022
01:22:07,350 --> 01:22:04,560
broadcast from mufon

2023
01:22:07,830 --> 01:22:07,360
right okay so we got about 200 people

2024
01:22:10,310 --> 01:22:07,840
there

2025
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:10,320
and richard gets off the plane and he

2026
01:22:14,790 --> 01:22:11,760
arrives

2027
01:22:17,750 --> 01:22:14,800
and i hadn't met him before

2028
01:22:20,470 --> 01:22:17,760
and i walk outside we're all set up

2029
01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:20,480
lights camera action you know it's

2030
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:23,199
it's packed and i got and richard's

2031
01:22:25,830 --> 01:22:25,360
walking up i'm not making this up ryan

2032
01:22:28,790 --> 01:22:25,840
this is

2033
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:28,800
exactly what happens he looks at me and

2034
01:22:33,430 --> 01:22:29,679
says

2035
01:22:34,709 --> 01:22:33,440
jimmy and i think he started to extend

2036
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:34,719
his hand

2037
01:22:42,070 --> 01:22:38,480
and he walks into a tree branch

2038
01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:42,080
and knocks himself out boom

2039
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:45,440
and and and he's like this

2040
01:22:50,709 --> 01:22:47,520
and i walk up to him and he goes and

2041
01:22:54,149 --> 01:22:50,719
he's like he's like cross-eyed am i okay

2042
01:22:57,430 --> 01:22:54,159
and i look and on his forehead is a

2043
01:22:57,750 --> 01:22:57,440
half a tennis ball it's just whooping

2044
01:23:03,910 --> 01:22:57,760
it's

2045
01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:03,920
that'll make you humble humble really

2046
01:23:07,510 --> 01:23:04,480
man

2047
01:23:09,750 --> 01:23:07,520
and i felt so bad and uh

2048
01:23:11,750 --> 01:23:09,760
we we dragged him and he's stunned man i

2049
01:23:13,669 --> 01:23:11,760
mean you know he's got this lump

2050
01:23:16,070 --> 01:23:13,679
right in the middle of his forehead we

2051
01:23:19,590 --> 01:23:16,080
got cameras and things and

2052
01:23:22,229 --> 01:23:19,600
uh this packed house and uh and so

2053
01:23:22,870 --> 01:23:22,239
rita comes up she goes i got my makeup

2054
01:23:24,790 --> 01:23:22,880
bag

2055
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:24,800
and he's like how bad is it she goes

2056
01:23:29,430 --> 01:23:26,400
come on

2057
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:29,440
drags him into the bathroom and is is

2058
01:23:33,669 --> 01:23:31,679
putting makeup on his head he comes out

2059
01:23:35,669 --> 01:23:33,679
and now he's got a big now it's a half a

2060
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:35,679
tennis ball with makeup on it

2061
01:23:45,430 --> 01:23:39,600
right how do i look i go uh

2062
01:23:48,149 --> 01:23:45,440
you're fine man that's got to hurt

2063
01:23:48,470 --> 01:23:48,159
anyway that's when you got to play it up

2064
01:23:51,350 --> 01:23:48,480
right

2065
01:23:51,750 --> 01:23:51,360
it's it's part of the zeta reticuli well

2066
01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:51,760
and

2067
01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:57,040
what he's a professional

2068
01:24:01,430 --> 01:24:00,080
um so how did the idea for the book come

2069
01:24:01,990 --> 01:24:01,440
about and that's the reason why i'm

2070
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:02,000
bringing up

2071
01:24:05,510 --> 01:24:04,560
richard um i remember you being so

2072
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:05,520
excited

2073
01:24:11,830 --> 01:24:08,960
about that who approached who

2074
01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:11,840
so again you know dolan had been a hero

2075
01:24:15,750 --> 01:24:12,560
of mine

2076
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:15,760
since i got involved uh he is from

2077
01:24:20,070 --> 01:24:18,080
rochester new york which isn't too far

2078
01:24:22,229 --> 01:24:20,080
from where i'm originally from syracuse

2079
01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:22,239
new york uh which i thought was really

2080
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:22,880
cool

2081
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:25,360
and i just remember man i mean for years

2082
01:24:29,030 --> 01:24:26,560
i'd been writing

2083
01:24:29,990 --> 01:24:29,040
at that point for open minds i've been

2084
01:24:33,030 --> 01:24:30,000
interviewing people

2085
01:24:34,629 --> 01:24:33,040
and i thought what it what do i do with

2086
01:24:37,990 --> 01:24:34,639
all this i've got all this

2087
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:38,000
research and stuff compiled what do i do

2088
01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:40,800
um i'll write a book you know the naive

2089
01:24:42,790 --> 01:24:42,320
person in me thought it would be that

2090
01:24:45,350 --> 01:24:42,800
easy

2091
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:45,360
so i i remember excitedly reaching out

2092
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:46,639
to rich and being like

2093
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:48,320
hey i want to write a book he's like oh

2094
01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:49,920
that's cool what about

2095
01:24:55,270 --> 01:24:53,440
and i remember saying i don't know

2096
01:24:56,709 --> 01:24:55,280
and he said cool call me when you have

2097
01:24:58,629 --> 01:24:56,719
an idea and

2098
01:24:59,750 --> 01:24:58,639
that's when i sat down and i thought

2099
01:25:01,910 --> 01:24:59,760
what can i do

2100
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:01,920
to contribute something new to this

2101
01:25:05,669 --> 01:25:03,600
conversation of ufos

2102
01:25:07,350 --> 01:25:05,679
and um for years i'd been a playwright

2103
01:25:09,430 --> 01:25:07,360
in new york city at this point

2104
01:25:10,790 --> 01:25:09,440
struggling artists waiting tables

2105
01:25:13,750 --> 01:25:10,800
attending bar

2106
01:25:14,950 --> 01:25:13,760
writing plays and i thought okay i'm

2107
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:14,960
trained as a playwright

2108
01:25:20,149 --> 01:25:18,320
to create characters and really get into

2109
01:25:22,470 --> 01:25:20,159
the hearts and minds of these people

2110
01:25:24,629 --> 01:25:22,480
see what makes them tick motivate and i

2111
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:24,639
was taught as a playwright

2112
01:25:27,669 --> 01:25:26,480
your play has to be the most important

2113
01:25:29,830 --> 01:25:27,679
person in that

2114
01:25:31,590 --> 01:25:29,840
moment in that person's life or why the

2115
01:25:32,550 --> 01:25:31,600
hell are we dropped into their lives for

2116
01:25:34,310 --> 01:25:32,560
this play

2117
01:25:36,709 --> 01:25:34,320
and i really took that to heart and i

2118
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:36,719
thought hey let me put that into my ufo

2119
01:25:40,229 --> 01:25:37,440
work

2120
01:25:42,790 --> 01:25:40,239
let me look at these cases of these

2121
01:25:45,669 --> 01:25:42,800
everyday people in all walks of life

2122
01:25:47,350 --> 01:25:45,679
and how the event affected them you know

2123
01:25:49,590 --> 01:25:47,360
the the event is one thing

2124
01:25:51,110 --> 01:25:49,600
you know how big was the craft when did

2125
01:25:53,030 --> 01:25:51,120
you see it for how long

2126
01:25:55,110 --> 01:25:53,040
but when you really get to the core of

2127
01:25:56,310 --> 01:25:55,120
this story and how it changed the

2128
01:25:58,550 --> 01:25:56,320
person's life

2129
01:26:00,550 --> 01:25:58,560
i said boom that's it i'm going to focus

2130
01:26:02,470 --> 01:26:00,560
on the people having the experience

2131
01:26:03,910 --> 01:26:02,480
and how it changed them and what that

2132
01:26:05,590 --> 01:26:03,920
could inevitably tell us about the

2133
01:26:07,669 --> 01:26:05,600
phenomenon itself

2134
01:26:08,790 --> 01:26:07,679
so that's what i brought to rich and he

2135
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:08,800
said i

2136
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:11,760
honestly i haven't heard a concept like

2137
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:13,679
that before where you put the microscope

2138
01:26:16,950 --> 01:26:14,800
on the person

2139
01:26:17,910 --> 01:26:16,960
rather than the event and how it changed

2140
01:26:19,510 --> 01:26:17,920
them you know

2141
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:19,520
like that woman who told me about her

2142
01:26:22,070 --> 01:26:21,600
abduction her husband was sitting next

2143
01:26:23,590 --> 01:26:22,080
to her

2144
01:26:25,510 --> 01:26:23,600
she's squeezing his hand but what does

2145
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:25,520
he think his wife is saying she's been

2146
01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:26,800
abducted by aliens

2147
01:26:31,189 --> 01:26:29,440
on more than one occasion like what does

2148
01:26:33,669 --> 01:26:31,199
that do to your relationship

2149
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:33,679
or what if your priest says he was

2150
01:26:37,030 --> 01:26:35,199
abducted by aliens

2151
01:26:39,510 --> 01:26:37,040
and you're in a church like how does

2152
01:26:41,430 --> 01:26:39,520
that change how you perceive this person

2153
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:41,440
that you've put your faith into

2154
01:26:45,990 --> 01:26:44,000
um so that's the approach i took jimmy

2155
01:26:47,750 --> 01:26:46,000
was to focus on the humans

2156
01:26:49,590 --> 01:26:47,760
and i went around the country and i

2157
01:26:52,070 --> 01:26:49,600
interviewed hundreds

2158
01:26:53,830 --> 01:26:52,080
of people and it was probably the most

2159
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:53,840
rewarding experience in my life

2160
01:26:57,189 --> 01:26:56,400
and scariest and weirdest and everything

2161
01:27:00,229 --> 01:26:57,199
in between

2162
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:00,239
well the book was well received but now

2163
01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:03,520
you're perceived differently right

2164
01:27:06,870 --> 01:27:05,360
did you start to choose your words a bit

2165
01:27:10,950 --> 01:27:06,880
more carefully

2166
01:27:14,390 --> 01:27:10,960
oh yeah i mean a lot changed the first

2167
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:14,400
version of the book came out in 2016 um

2168
01:27:18,870 --> 01:27:17,040
and i've since released a second edition

2169
01:27:21,350 --> 01:27:18,880
where i followed up with everyone

2170
01:27:22,310 --> 01:27:21,360
from the first book i interviewed a lot

2171
01:27:25,430 --> 01:27:22,320
more people

2172
01:27:26,870 --> 01:27:25,440
so my research has changed my outlook on

2173
01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:26,880
the topic has changed

2174
01:27:33,110 --> 01:27:30,480
uh the first book came out pre-2017

2175
01:27:33,830 --> 01:27:33,120
article and this huge shift we had after

2176
01:27:36,950 --> 01:27:33,840
that

2177
01:27:38,870 --> 01:27:36,960
so i mean you can't help but

2178
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:38,880
become embedded into the story that

2179
01:27:42,790 --> 01:27:40,960
you're trying to ultimately write

2180
01:27:44,830 --> 01:27:42,800
so so much has changed for me i feel

2181
01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:44,840
like i've become such a more

2182
01:27:49,350 --> 01:27:48,400
um level grounded and compassionate

2183
01:27:51,270 --> 01:27:49,360
person

2184
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:51,280
because i can now put myself in these

2185
01:27:54,390 --> 01:27:53,199
people's shoes i wasn't there when the

2186
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:54,400
event happened to them

2187
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:56,239
but i sure still saw something that

2188
01:28:01,510 --> 01:27:58,880
changed my life i know they did too

2189
01:28:03,110 --> 01:28:01,520
so yeah man i've gained such a respect

2190
01:28:06,070 --> 01:28:03,120
and appreciation

2191
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:06,080
for people all over the world who are

2192
01:28:08,790 --> 01:28:08,000
willing to come forward and talk about

2193
01:28:11,189 --> 01:28:08,800
this

2194
01:28:12,229 --> 01:28:11,199
and change that ridicule factor and shed

2195
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:12,239
that stigma

2196
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:14,560
that this topic's had for 70 plus years

2197
01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:16,320
yeah yeah we're in a good time

2198
01:28:20,070 --> 01:28:18,480
uh right now with the subject i've been

2199
01:28:23,110 --> 01:28:20,080
involved with it for

2200
01:28:25,110 --> 01:28:23,120
uh over 40 years and

2201
01:28:27,990 --> 01:28:25,120
uh this is like the first time where

2202
01:28:29,750 --> 01:28:28,000
it's like we're all in a safe zone

2203
01:28:31,590 --> 01:28:29,760
we can talk about it with the cashier at

2204
01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:31,600
the at the supermarket

2205
01:28:34,629 --> 01:28:33,440
you know you know strangers on the

2206
01:28:36,790 --> 01:28:34,639
street and

2207
01:28:38,950 --> 01:28:36,800
and you're not going to hear the x-files

2208
01:28:40,229 --> 01:28:38,960
music in the back of your head

2209
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:40,239
because you know that that's what

2210
01:28:44,950 --> 01:28:42,000
they're thinking no

2211
01:28:46,229 --> 01:28:44,960
it's it's it's a safer zone when you

2212
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:46,239
have tucker carlson

2213
01:28:49,590 --> 01:28:49,120
right to back you up yeah yeah and i

2214
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:49,600
mean

2215
01:28:54,070 --> 01:28:51,760
i i always bring this up too and when i

2216
01:28:55,750 --> 01:28:54,080
was in the dating scene in new york city

2217
01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:55,760
you know that first date i would go to

2218
01:29:00,709 --> 01:28:57,280
the bar um

2219
01:29:03,990 --> 01:29:00,719
start talking to someone and

2220
01:29:05,669 --> 01:29:04,000
what do you do well i'm a ufo researcher

2221
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:05,679
you you want to know how many second

2222
01:29:11,430 --> 01:29:08,320
dates i got after that man not many

2223
01:29:13,189 --> 01:29:11,440
not many at all but oh man

2224
01:29:15,270 --> 01:29:13,199
yeah i have a loving understanding

2225
01:29:16,629 --> 01:29:15,280
partner now who's totally into this

2226
01:29:18,790 --> 01:29:16,639
totally supports me

2227
01:29:20,790 --> 01:29:18,800
and i think a lot of that has to do with

2228
01:29:21,350 --> 01:29:20,800
how much the perception of this topic

2229
01:29:23,910 --> 01:29:21,360
has changed

2230
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:23,920
did you meet her at a ufo conference i

2231
01:29:27,910 --> 01:29:24,560
didn't

2232
01:29:29,910 --> 01:29:27,920
i did not thank god she knew

2233
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oh you're a rock star at that point

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let's take our break right here i guess

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tonight ryan sprague this is fade to

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tonight ryan sprague

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somewhere in the skies all right now i'm

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going to do uh

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something that see this is the thing you

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you're on the other side right i get to

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ask the questions i toe the line here

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so i'm going to do uh some rapid fire

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stuff that you have probably

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never been forced to answer before

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and it's going to be great so let's

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start here

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the one ufo case

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that isn't talked about enough and need

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there's only one there's only one tehran

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oh you're going iran 1976 brother that

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is the the

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first case i ever did an foia request

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for

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god documentation and i have john

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greenwald to thank for

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uh leading me down the right direction

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and those documents blew my mind man

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yeah i'm with you know what uh

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there are so many that don't get

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mentioned right

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they just they're they they just uh pass

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bias but i'm in agreement with you there

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i'm in agreement um randall shim for me

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is always

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uh the one that i bring up first um

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it's so famous now to this point but we

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have all the witnesses

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and everybody is alive you know it's

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like full living coloring in front of us

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but if i'm gonna go beyond that uh

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japan airlines alaska still that case

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uh blows my mind and and and nobody

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uh talks about it enough uh socorro

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new mexico is another one for me um

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again you know jesse zamora and

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uh it's covered really well in james

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fox's new film

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but you're right everybody brings up

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these cases that are in front of them

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so often but t ron yeah that is right

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there

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yeah bucket list man yeah yeah good call

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good call

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that was impressive i didn't expect that

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all right

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skin walker uh

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so i mean i'm with the majority of the

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public on this one

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i have absolutely no idea what the

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heck's going on there man but

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man from the people i've talked to i um

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i i

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spoke to brandon fuco recently the the

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new owner of the ranch

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super nice guy um genuine

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genuinely looking for answers that's why

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he bought the ranch

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it's why he is making the information

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public

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and not answering to the government like

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the last owner of the ranch

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um so i'm excited to see the future of

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study that goes on there

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it has a very interesting and

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controversial past

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but i i just go with what i've seen what

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i've read what i've listened to

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whether it's george knapp or you know

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the the television show on

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history or jeremy corbell you name it

2438
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whoever's looked into the case

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i just consume it all because look if

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that's a living laboratory

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of weirdness from ufos to shadow people

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to

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portals

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we need to look in that and we know that

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the government funded

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research into this place so i think it's

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awesome i think it's

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i would love to go there okay

2449
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when we talk about skinwalker i'm not

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putting you on the spot

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but when we talk about skinwalker we

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have

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the stories compelling no doubt

2454
01:39:11,590 --> 01:39:09,040
but a true lack of evidence

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right yeah i haven't seen a picture of a

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portal

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or a vortex i haven't seen bigfoot step

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out of

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some crazy stargate i haven't seen that

2460
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i haven't seen

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any ufo footage and you know i haven't

2462
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:22,639
seen any

2463
01:39:27,990 --> 01:39:25,199
of that does that concern you have you

2464
01:39:29,590 --> 01:39:28,000
seen something i haven't

2465
01:39:31,189 --> 01:39:29,600
to my knowledge no jimmy and i

2466
01:39:32,790 --> 01:39:31,199
completely understand that man like that

2467
01:39:35,109 --> 01:39:32,800
is a really good argument

2468
01:39:36,229 --> 01:39:35,119
my my only and i wouldn't even call it a

2469
01:39:38,550 --> 01:39:36,239
defense but

2470
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:38,560
like i mentioned everything that was

2471
01:39:42,629 --> 01:39:40,400
found from the previous owner

2472
01:39:43,430 --> 01:39:42,639
had to be handed over to the government

2473
01:39:45,590 --> 01:39:43,440
so

2474
01:39:46,870 --> 01:39:45,600
god only knows what evidence they had

2475
01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:46,880
maybe it was nothing

2476
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:48,960
or maybe it was something but i'm

2477
01:39:51,189 --> 01:39:50,719
excited to see the future of the study

2478
01:39:52,950 --> 01:39:51,199
there

2479
01:39:55,109 --> 01:39:52,960
i mean we have an owner who's more

2480
01:39:58,550 --> 01:39:55,119
transparent and welcoming than

2481
01:40:04,229 --> 01:39:58,560
we've had before so who knows man

2482
01:40:08,390 --> 01:40:04,239
yeah um my concern is is twofold

2483
01:40:11,270 --> 01:40:08,400
and it's this i want your comments one

2484
01:40:13,669 --> 01:40:11,280
maybe brandon wants to build a

2485
01:40:17,189 --> 01:40:13,679
paranormal bed and breakfast

2486
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:17,199
maybe that's the goal and that's not out

2487
01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:18,560
of the question maybe there's

2488
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:22,400
the business side of it there's that and

2489
01:40:28,870 --> 01:40:25,440
and uh um and

2490
01:40:29,430 --> 01:40:28,880
the other side of it is i don't want the

2491
01:40:32,149 --> 01:40:29,440
tv

2492
01:40:33,910 --> 01:40:32,159
show to turn into the curse of oak

2493
01:40:37,109 --> 01:40:33,920
island

2494
01:40:40,709 --> 01:40:37,119
right i don't want 15 seasons of

2495
01:40:41,590 --> 01:40:40,719
tune in next time right where we don't

2496
01:40:45,109 --> 01:40:41,600
get resolved

2497
01:40:48,070 --> 01:40:45,119
and that's my only concern if it's there

2498
01:40:49,990 --> 01:40:48,080
just bring the evidence forward you know

2499
01:40:51,750 --> 01:40:50,000
i know that they're a magical locations

2500
01:40:54,229 --> 01:40:51,760
around the united states and

2501
01:40:56,149 --> 01:40:54,239
and where high strangeness happens

2502
01:40:59,270 --> 01:40:56,159
skinwalker may very well

2503
01:41:00,870 --> 01:40:59,280
be that but let's see it and that that's

2504
01:41:03,270 --> 01:41:00,880
my concern

2505
01:41:03,990 --> 01:41:03,280
i completely understand that and i i as

2506
01:41:06,709 --> 01:41:04,000
well hope

2507
01:41:09,350 --> 01:41:06,719
that we don't drag this thing out for

2508
01:41:12,310 --> 01:41:09,360
season after season after season

2509
01:41:14,149 --> 01:41:12,320
my only you know i look at it this way i

2510
01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:14,159
have done some television work

2511
01:41:19,510 --> 01:41:17,360
um but i look at it

2512
01:41:20,870 --> 01:41:19,520
as an opportunity that i personally

2513
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:20,880
would not get

2514
01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:23,040
if the television show didn't exist so

2515
01:41:26,229 --> 01:41:24,400
with my show

2516
01:41:27,750 --> 01:41:26,239
they had the resources to bring me to

2517
01:41:29,590 --> 01:41:27,760
roswell to get

2518
01:41:30,790 --> 01:41:29,600
medals that were found in the desert of

2519
01:41:32,950 --> 01:41:30,800
the roswell crash

2520
01:41:34,149 --> 01:41:32,960
to get them tested at a prominent

2521
01:41:37,109 --> 01:41:34,159
aerospace lab

2522
01:41:38,550 --> 01:41:37,119
in los angeles something me as an

2523
01:41:40,790 --> 01:41:38,560
independent investigator

2524
01:41:42,229 --> 01:41:40,800
never could have done so someone like

2525
01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:42,239
brandon what i think

2526
01:41:45,430 --> 01:41:43,840
and i've spoken to him about this

2527
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:45,440
personally

2528
01:41:49,109 --> 01:41:47,280
if a television show is going to come

2529
01:41:51,350 --> 01:41:49,119
around and cover this topic

2530
01:41:53,270 --> 01:41:51,360
and put money into it for you to go do

2531
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:53,280
the research

2532
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:55,280
use them for all their work jimmy and

2533
01:41:59,590 --> 01:41:57,119
i'm just being completely honest man

2534
01:42:01,669 --> 01:41:59,600
like if they want me to go on television

2535
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:01,679
and do this entertainment thing

2536
01:42:05,990 --> 01:42:04,080
and get people to tune in next week

2537
01:42:08,070 --> 01:42:06,000
that's fine that's television that's

2538
01:42:09,270 --> 01:42:08,080
that's the business but i'm gonna get

2539
01:42:11,990 --> 01:42:09,280
what i can out of it

2540
01:42:14,070 --> 01:42:12,000
as a serious ufo investigator and look

2541
01:42:15,189 --> 01:42:14,080
there were leads in my television show

2542
01:42:16,229 --> 01:42:15,199
that were brought to me by the

2543
01:42:19,030 --> 01:42:16,239
researchers

2544
01:42:20,390 --> 01:42:19,040
for the show that i now have continued

2545
01:42:22,470 --> 01:42:20,400
to investigate cases

2546
01:42:24,470 --> 01:42:22,480
afterwards right so i think that's

2547
01:42:27,270 --> 01:42:24,480
that's the exciting part and um

2548
01:42:28,070 --> 01:42:27,280
in a benefit of something like uh a

2549
01:42:31,109 --> 01:42:28,080
television

2550
01:42:32,950 --> 01:42:31,119
show but i do worry as you do that

2551
01:42:34,870 --> 01:42:32,960
that's going to overshadow the actual

2552
01:42:38,790 --> 01:42:34,880
research being done

2553
01:42:42,310 --> 01:42:38,800
for sure bigfoot bigfoot

2554
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:42,320
um as you're as by the way ryan's

2555
01:42:46,950 --> 01:42:43,679
wearing a sasquatch

2556
01:42:48,709 --> 01:42:46,960
coffee hat uh i am i have a

2557
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:48,719
a warm place in my heart when i lived in

2558
01:42:52,470 --> 01:42:50,480
los angeles i worked at a coffee shop

2559
01:42:54,709 --> 01:42:52,480
called coffee for sasquatch

2560
01:42:56,070 --> 01:42:54,719
uh huge bigfoot on the wall it was great

2561
01:42:58,550 --> 01:42:56,080
man but um

2562
01:42:59,750 --> 01:42:58,560
on a more on a more personal note

2563
01:43:03,990 --> 01:42:59,760
completely open to it

2564
01:43:06,470 --> 01:43:04,000
i i don't i have no reason to believe

2565
01:43:07,590 --> 01:43:06,480
that there aren't creatures out there

2566
01:43:10,229 --> 01:43:07,600
that we um

2567
01:43:11,750 --> 01:43:10,239
we haven't discovered yet and enough

2568
01:43:14,950 --> 01:43:11,760
people have looked into it

2569
01:43:15,669 --> 01:43:14,960
enough people have found evidence um and

2570
01:43:17,910 --> 01:43:15,679
say what you will

2571
01:43:19,750 --> 01:43:17,920
some of it's very compelling i think

2572
01:43:21,669 --> 01:43:19,760
there's a strong possibility that

2573
01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:21,679
there's more than one bigfoot out there

2574
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:22,480
for sure

2575
01:43:26,709 --> 01:43:25,360
do you think uh what side of the fence

2576
01:43:29,350 --> 01:43:26,719
are you on

2577
01:43:30,390 --> 01:43:29,360
a species that hasn't been discovered

2578
01:43:33,350 --> 01:43:30,400
that is

2579
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:33,360
you know just a you know a mammal that's

2580
01:43:38,229 --> 01:43:35,119
walking around on two legs

2581
01:43:38,709 --> 01:43:38,239
that is avoiding humans or is there more

2582
01:43:42,310 --> 01:43:38,719
of a

2583
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:42,320
paranormal supernatural interdimensional

2584
01:43:48,390 --> 01:43:45,840
aspect uh to bigfoot the old

2585
01:43:48,870 --> 01:43:48,400
bigfoot's a ghost sort of thing right

2586
01:43:51,590 --> 01:43:48,880
could be

2587
01:43:52,070 --> 01:43:51,600
or an interdimensional being an alien

2588
01:43:56,149 --> 01:43:52,080
you know

2589
01:43:58,310 --> 01:43:56,159
lights in the sky ufo sighting

2590
01:43:59,830 --> 01:43:58,320
bigfoot sighting you know at the same

2591
01:44:00,950 --> 01:43:59,840
time and i've always found that pretty

2592
01:44:03,350 --> 01:44:00,960
compelling

2593
01:44:04,390 --> 01:44:03,360
it happens and i've come across cases

2594
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:04,400
that i went in

2595
01:44:08,229 --> 01:44:07,440
to investigate a ufo case and lo and

2596
01:44:10,870 --> 01:44:08,239
behold

2597
01:44:12,310 --> 01:44:10,880
they also saw bigfoot so look man i

2598
01:44:14,070 --> 01:44:12,320
can't deny

2599
01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:14,080
the um compelling evidence that that's

2600
01:44:18,470 --> 01:44:15,600
possible but for me

2601
01:44:19,590 --> 01:44:18,480
i am i believe it's a flesh and blood

2602
01:44:22,870 --> 01:44:19,600
blood creature

2603
01:44:26,229 --> 01:44:22,880
and it has survived for so long

2604
01:44:29,270 --> 01:44:26,239
without being you know seen

2605
01:44:31,990 --> 01:44:29,280
or heard or a body been found

2606
01:44:33,590 --> 01:44:32,000
that i honestly think it's probably the

2607
01:44:36,310 --> 01:44:33,600
best elusive

2608
01:44:37,830 --> 01:44:36,320
creature out there um able to track

2609
01:44:40,750 --> 01:44:37,840
without being seen nor

2610
01:44:43,109 --> 01:44:40,760
heard um so for me it comes down to an

2611
01:44:47,189 --> 01:44:43,119
extremely

2612
01:44:51,030 --> 01:44:47,199
smart and um and just

2613
01:44:52,990 --> 01:44:51,040
incredible creature yeah yeah when um

2614
01:44:57,109 --> 01:44:53,000
i'm i've always leaned on the more

2615
01:45:02,070 --> 01:45:00,229
lack of bodies lack of anything or dna

2616
01:45:04,229 --> 01:45:02,080
and and corpses and stuff

2617
01:45:05,189 --> 01:45:04,239
so i've always leaned on that side and

2618
01:45:08,070 --> 01:45:05,199
then i

2619
01:45:10,310 --> 01:45:08,080
i just recently drove uh from los

2620
01:45:13,910 --> 01:45:10,320
angeles to canada and back

2621
01:45:16,950 --> 01:45:13,920
and by myself and when you do that drive

2622
01:45:19,830 --> 01:45:16,960
through the redwood forest and

2623
01:45:21,030 --> 01:45:19,840
you're just looking out for for hours

2624
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:21,040
for miles

2625
01:45:24,709 --> 01:45:24,000
and all you can think to yourself is no

2626
01:45:28,149 --> 01:45:24,719
human has

2627
01:45:31,350 --> 01:45:28,159
ever set foot in those woods right

2628
01:45:33,590 --> 01:45:31,360
anything could be walking through there

2629
01:45:35,750 --> 01:45:33,600
and i just find myself pulling myself

2630
01:45:38,310 --> 01:45:35,760
into this other reality of

2631
01:45:40,550 --> 01:45:38,320
maybe maybe it's just a species that

2632
01:45:43,830 --> 01:45:40,560
doesn't want to hang out with us

2633
01:45:45,750 --> 01:45:43,840
and i i'm like a walking paradox ryan

2634
01:45:48,310 --> 01:45:45,760
i wouldn't blame a man for not wanting

2635
01:45:51,590 --> 01:45:48,320
to be around us especially right now but

2636
01:45:53,270 --> 01:45:51,600
i i talked to a um a a bigfoot tracker

2637
01:45:54,709 --> 01:45:53,280
and i asked him that same question

2638
01:45:56,310 --> 01:45:54,719
we dealing with flesh and blood here

2639
01:45:58,790 --> 01:45:56,320
what's going on right they said why have

2640
01:46:00,149 --> 01:45:58,800
we never found a body and he brought up

2641
01:46:02,229 --> 01:46:00,159
a very good argument

2642
01:46:05,109 --> 01:46:02,239
you look at most creatures that live in

2643
01:46:08,149 --> 01:46:05,119
the woods if they're going to die

2644
01:46:09,510 --> 01:46:08,159
they have an instinct to go somewhere

2645
01:46:12,629 --> 01:46:09,520
hidden

2646
01:46:15,669 --> 01:46:12,639
to do that that's in their nature

2647
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:15,679
to do that you know and a deer a bear if

2648
01:46:18,709 --> 01:46:16,400
they know

2649
01:46:21,270 --> 01:46:18,719
something's wrong and they can sense

2650
01:46:23,350 --> 01:46:21,280
that they don't got much longer on this

2651
01:46:25,030 --> 01:46:23,360
mortal coil they're gonna go somewhere

2652
01:46:27,189 --> 01:46:25,040
and do it in private so

2653
01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:27,199
i've always kind of kept that in mind of

2654
01:46:30,709 --> 01:46:29,280
huh maybe that's the case why we haven't

2655
01:46:36,310 --> 01:46:30,719
found the body yet i don't know

2656
01:46:39,990 --> 01:46:38,870
this might surprise you but i'm

2657
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:40,000
extremely

2658
01:46:43,030 --> 01:46:41,840
skeptical of the alien abduction

2659
01:46:45,270 --> 01:46:43,040
phenomenon

2660
01:46:46,709 --> 01:46:45,280
i've also interviewed hundreds and

2661
01:46:49,350 --> 01:46:46,719
hundreds of people

2662
01:46:51,189 --> 01:46:49,360
who've claimed it and it's tough man i

2663
01:46:52,310 --> 01:46:51,199
struggle with it i change my mind every

2664
01:46:53,910 --> 01:46:52,320
other day

2665
01:46:56,310 --> 01:46:53,920
i've seen compelling evidence whether

2666
01:46:59,750 --> 01:46:56,320
it's supposed implants

2667
01:47:03,669 --> 01:46:59,760
uh or hypnotic regression

2668
01:47:06,149 --> 01:47:03,679
sessions but look there's a lot in the

2669
01:47:08,950 --> 01:47:06,159
world we don't know we don't understand

2670
01:47:10,629 --> 01:47:08,960
about the human brain how it acts how it

2671
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:10,639
how it does what it does

2672
01:47:14,149 --> 01:47:12,960
so like i said when i talked to that

2673
01:47:17,350 --> 01:47:14,159
woman and she

2674
01:47:18,470 --> 01:47:17,360
bawled in front of me crying something

2675
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:18,480
happened to her

2676
01:47:21,590 --> 01:47:20,960
like clearly she believes this happened

2677
01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:21,600
to her

2678
01:47:24,870 --> 01:47:23,600
and i wasn't there you know that's kind

2679
01:47:27,189 --> 01:47:24,880
of the the safest

2680
01:47:28,709 --> 01:47:27,199
most passive thing a ufo researcher

2681
01:47:30,470 --> 01:47:28,719
could say but it's true

2682
01:47:31,990 --> 01:47:30,480
i wasn't there when this thing happened

2683
01:47:34,950 --> 01:47:32,000
so um

2684
01:47:35,990 --> 01:47:34,960
and then you have travis walton right ah

2685
01:47:38,950 --> 01:47:36,000
dude

2686
01:47:40,070 --> 01:47:38,960
that one when people ask me what's a

2687
01:47:41,910 --> 01:47:40,080
credible

2688
01:47:43,990 --> 01:47:41,920
abduction case that's the first one i

2689
01:47:45,030 --> 01:47:44,000
always go to talked to him on several

2690
01:47:46,550 --> 01:47:45,040
occasions

2691
01:47:48,629 --> 01:47:46,560
um have been looking at the case for

2692
01:47:50,709 --> 01:47:48,639
years and i just

2693
01:47:52,709 --> 01:47:50,719
i don't see a reason for him to have

2694
01:47:55,030 --> 01:47:52,719
ever made this thing up so

2695
01:47:58,310 --> 01:47:55,040
ah it can that's the case man that's my

2696
01:48:00,709 --> 01:47:58,320
golden goose when it comes to abductions

2697
01:48:01,990 --> 01:48:00,719
the the united states government is in

2698
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:02,000
possession of

2699
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:10,709
i tend to believe that i do uh from the

2700
01:48:15,669 --> 01:48:13,199
the recent quotes by eric davis to the

2701
01:48:19,030 --> 01:48:15,679
uh you know the pentagon and the dod

2702
01:48:20,790 --> 01:48:19,040
that we have we have that um

2703
01:48:22,629 --> 01:48:20,800
you know i've looked into the roswell

2704
01:48:24,709 --> 01:48:22,639
case extensively

2705
01:48:25,990 --> 01:48:24,719
i've touched metals that could have been

2706
01:48:28,390 --> 01:48:26,000
from 47

2707
01:48:29,830 --> 01:48:28,400
that were out there and had them tested

2708
01:48:32,229 --> 01:48:29,840
like i mentioned earlier

2709
01:48:33,270 --> 01:48:32,239
extremely interesting results that we

2710
01:48:37,430 --> 01:48:33,280
came up with

2711
01:48:38,790 --> 01:48:37,440
um i i think at one point in our history

2712
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:38,800
if not more

2713
01:48:42,870 --> 01:48:41,760
something has crashed and that the us

2714
01:48:44,790 --> 01:48:42,880
specifically

2715
01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:44,800
is in possession of that i do believe

2716
01:48:51,430 --> 01:48:46,000
that the

2717
01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:54,310
i believe it you know ultra-terrestrial

2718
01:48:57,350 --> 01:48:55,040
theory

2719
01:48:58,149 --> 01:48:57,360
i i'm totally into it i think it it

2720
01:49:00,390 --> 01:48:58,159
makes sense

2721
01:49:02,629 --> 01:49:00,400
um where there's been a lot of chatter

2722
01:49:05,750 --> 01:49:02,639
lately about ufos

2723
01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:05,760
uh coming out from the water so

2724
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:08,080
i tend to think hey maybe these things

2725
01:49:11,590 --> 01:49:08,880
have been living

2726
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:11,600
underwater or in the earth for for

2727
01:49:15,990 --> 01:49:14,159
centuries and centuries at this point

2728
01:49:18,470 --> 01:49:16,000
and that's how they come in and out man

2729
01:49:22,790 --> 01:49:18,480
i don't know i'm i'm totally open to it

2730
01:49:26,790 --> 01:49:24,709
i hope giorgio isn't listening to him he

2731
01:49:29,350 --> 01:49:26,800
is he is he is a

2732
01:49:31,510 --> 01:49:29,360
huge fan of the show he's in lockdown

2733
01:49:34,790 --> 01:49:31,520
right now i guarantee you 7 p.m

2734
01:49:37,030 --> 01:49:34,800
in burbank he's he's right here um

2735
01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:37,040
i'll get it giorgio if you're listening

2736
01:49:39,910 --> 01:49:38,320
text me

2737
01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:39,920
you know what man that's so funny you

2738
01:49:45,270 --> 01:49:42,880
mentioned that i um maybe a week ago he

2739
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:45,280
he messaged me and he said hey you left

2740
01:49:48,790 --> 01:49:47,520
your sunglasses at prometheus

2741
01:49:50,550 --> 01:49:48,800
and i was like what what's this guy

2742
01:49:52,790 --> 01:49:50,560
talking about lo and behold

2743
01:49:55,189 --> 01:49:52,800
like maybe a year and a half ago i went

2744
01:49:56,550 --> 01:49:55,199
out to la to meet with the the ancient

2745
01:49:59,270 --> 01:49:56,560
aliens producers

2746
01:50:01,350 --> 01:49:59,280
and i left a pair of sunglasses there so

2747
01:50:03,589 --> 01:50:01,360
the guy i love him he's got such a good

2748
01:50:04,470 --> 01:50:03,599
sense of humor and um humility with this

2749
01:50:07,910 --> 01:50:04,480
whole thing

2750
01:50:10,950 --> 01:50:07,920
and uh he's just he's a fun guy um

2751
01:50:14,470 --> 01:50:10,960
the ancient alien theory

2752
01:50:18,390 --> 01:50:14,480
i'm open to it i i think it's

2753
01:50:20,870 --> 01:50:18,400
extremely interesting and look that show

2754
01:50:21,990 --> 01:50:20,880
has gotten so many people interested in

2755
01:50:25,430 --> 01:50:22,000
this topic

2756
01:50:25,990 --> 01:50:25,440
um like i said when i go to ufo congress

2757
01:50:28,709 --> 01:50:26,000
or

2758
01:50:29,750 --> 01:50:28,719
alien con i mean there's families there

2759
01:50:32,950 --> 01:50:29,760
and i always ask

2760
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:32,960
what got you interested ancient aliens

2761
01:50:36,870 --> 01:50:35,360
so men if that can be a gateway for a

2762
01:50:38,310 --> 01:50:36,880
lot of people out there to get

2763
01:50:39,990 --> 01:50:38,320
interested in this topic

2764
01:50:41,430 --> 01:50:40,000
to question what they've been taught

2765
01:50:44,709 --> 01:50:41,440
their entire lives

2766
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:44,719
about history um i think that's great

2767
01:50:48,790 --> 01:50:47,440
you know there's a fine line between um

2768
01:50:52,550 --> 01:50:48,800
conspiracy theory

2769
01:50:53,270 --> 01:50:52,560
and in in that but i think it's very

2770
01:50:55,669 --> 01:50:53,280
possible

2771
01:50:56,790 --> 01:50:55,679
that we have had intervention every now

2772
01:50:58,629 --> 01:50:56,800
and again but

2773
01:50:59,830 --> 01:50:58,639
i also like to give humans credit where

2774
01:51:01,589 --> 01:50:59,840
credit is due

2775
01:51:04,149 --> 01:51:01,599
and i think a lot of the incredible

2776
01:51:06,790 --> 01:51:04,159
things in our world the pyramids and

2777
01:51:07,830 --> 01:51:06,800
and structures that have been built um

2778
01:51:10,709 --> 01:51:07,840
they were built by

2779
01:51:13,189 --> 01:51:10,719
extremely advanced human beings with an

2780
01:51:13,990 --> 01:51:13,199
intelligence that we can only begin to

2781
01:51:17,990 --> 01:51:14,000
uh

2782
01:51:26,950 --> 01:51:18,000
humans credit where

2783
01:51:31,030 --> 01:51:29,109
i'm still on the fence i think with

2784
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:31,040
anything in the ufo field

2785
01:51:36,550 --> 01:51:34,800
it's a sandwich of disinformation with a

2786
01:51:37,109 --> 01:51:36,560
little bit of truth meat in the middle

2787
01:51:38,950 --> 01:51:37,119
man

2788
01:51:40,390 --> 01:51:38,960
i think there's some truth to some of

2789
01:51:43,669 --> 01:51:40,400
what has been

2790
01:51:45,990 --> 01:51:43,679
uh documented in those but i remember

2791
01:51:47,030 --> 01:51:46,000
months before stan friedman before we

2792
01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:47,040
lost him

2793
01:51:51,589 --> 01:51:49,679
uh i asked him where do you stand now

2794
01:51:53,589 --> 01:51:51,599
your life some 50 years later on

2795
01:51:54,790 --> 01:51:53,599
the mj 12 documents that you defended

2796
01:51:58,870 --> 01:51:54,800
your whole life

2797
01:52:01,270 --> 01:51:58,880
and he said i will be honest um

2798
01:52:02,229 --> 01:52:01,280
i'm airing on the side of i don't think

2799
01:52:04,149 --> 01:52:02,239
it was real

2800
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:04,159
and that blew my mind man when like

2801
01:52:08,629 --> 01:52:06,800
stead friedman the one person who's just

2802
01:52:10,470 --> 01:52:08,639
lived these things his whole life was

2803
01:52:10,870 --> 01:52:10,480
willing to finally come forward and say

2804
01:52:14,550 --> 01:52:10,880
that

2805
01:52:16,229 --> 01:52:14,560
muddy

2806
01:52:19,510 --> 01:52:16,239
but what isn't in this field at this

2807
01:52:22,790 --> 01:52:19,520
point the annunaki

2808
01:52:26,149 --> 01:52:25,350
i don't know enough about the history of

2809
01:52:28,229 --> 01:52:26,159
it

2810
01:52:29,270 --> 01:52:28,239
um so i can't pretend to have an answer

2811
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:29,280
for that one man

2812
01:52:32,310 --> 01:52:30,960
i'm just being completely honest with

2813
01:52:35,910 --> 01:52:32,320
you uh

2814
01:52:36,550 --> 01:52:35,920
no that's fine and uh i'm just touching

2815
01:52:38,790 --> 01:52:36,560
on these

2816
01:52:39,990 --> 01:52:38,800
i wrote out a list of things i wanted to

2817
01:52:43,910 --> 01:52:40,000
pick your brain on

2818
01:52:46,950 --> 01:52:43,920
i love it and and uh the next one

2819
01:52:50,629 --> 01:52:49,109
i just watched close encounters of the

2820
01:52:53,910 --> 01:52:50,639
third kind two nights ago

2821
01:52:58,550 --> 01:52:53,920
what for the first time no no okay okay

2822
01:53:00,709 --> 01:52:58,560
okay uh for the first time in a while um

2823
01:53:02,229 --> 01:53:00,719
and i mean there's there's the last few

2824
01:53:03,430 --> 01:53:02,239
moments of that movie played out in

2825
01:53:06,870 --> 01:53:03,440
project serpa

2826
01:53:08,310 --> 01:53:06,880
um i i don't put much stock into it

2827
01:53:10,709 --> 01:53:08,320
i don't think there was an exchange

2828
01:53:14,229 --> 01:53:10,719
program of humans for aliens aliens

2829
01:53:16,070 --> 01:53:14,239
for humans um but hey i've been wrong

2830
01:53:17,109 --> 01:53:16,080
many times before maybe we'll find out

2831
01:53:22,470 --> 01:53:17,119
it was real

2832
01:53:29,109 --> 01:53:25,510
i'm watching i'm watching ryan squirm

2833
01:53:31,910 --> 01:53:29,119
everybody he's you got me yeah man

2834
01:53:32,870 --> 01:53:31,920
on my toes um oh wait till you hear the

2835
01:53:35,189 --> 01:53:32,880
next one

2836
01:53:36,229 --> 01:53:35,199
okay but let's let's focus on billy

2837
01:53:37,669 --> 01:53:36,239
meyer okay

2838
01:53:40,229 --> 01:53:37,679
we talked earlier about having your

2839
01:53:42,149 --> 01:53:40,239
heart broken billy meyer was my first

2840
01:53:45,750 --> 01:53:42,159
heartbreak

2841
01:53:48,709 --> 01:53:45,760
me too i mean those photos

2842
01:53:49,270 --> 01:53:48,719
were what i first looked at me too 13

2843
01:53:51,669 --> 01:53:49,280
years old

2844
01:53:52,870 --> 01:53:51,679
same thing here same thing oh my god man

2845
01:53:55,669 --> 01:53:52,880
and um

2846
01:53:57,270 --> 01:53:55,679
you know it's so famous that it become

2847
01:53:59,910 --> 01:53:57,280
the x-files poster right

2848
01:54:00,790 --> 01:53:59,920
right uh again heartbroken when i find

2849
01:54:03,030 --> 01:54:00,800
out that

2850
01:54:04,229 --> 01:54:03,040
that ufo in the i want to believe poster

2851
01:54:07,030 --> 01:54:04,239
was billy myers

2852
01:54:07,589 --> 01:54:07,040
um i i don't i don't buy into it i'm

2853
01:54:09,510 --> 01:54:07,599
sorry

2854
01:54:12,310 --> 01:54:09,520
i think for a lot of these people who

2855
01:54:16,470 --> 01:54:12,320
become as big as someone like him has

2856
01:54:19,030 --> 01:54:16,480
uh you have a legitimate

2857
01:54:19,589 --> 01:54:19,040
genuine experience and then from there

2858
01:54:22,790 --> 01:54:19,599
it's just

2859
01:54:25,510 --> 01:54:22,800
building and trying to you know kind of

2860
01:54:26,629 --> 01:54:25,520
copy yourself exactly exactly and i

2861
01:54:28,550 --> 01:54:26,639
think that's kind of

2862
01:54:30,870 --> 01:54:28,560
what happened with billy i think maybe

2863
01:54:33,510 --> 01:54:30,880
the dude had a genuine experience

2864
01:54:34,550 --> 01:54:33,520
but um there's just so much evidence to

2865
01:54:37,750 --> 01:54:34,560
prove that

2866
01:54:40,149 --> 01:54:37,760
what he has done and what we know

2867
01:54:41,109 --> 01:54:40,159
is just completely a hoax i'm going to

2868
01:54:48,830 --> 01:54:41,119
be honest

2869
01:54:54,870 --> 01:54:51,589
i believe

2870
01:54:59,109 --> 01:54:54,880
bob lazar i have hold on

2871
01:55:01,669 --> 01:54:59,119
i believe bob lazar did

2872
01:55:03,189 --> 01:55:01,679
what he said he did and saw what he says

2873
01:55:06,790 --> 01:55:03,199
he saw

2874
01:55:08,629 --> 01:55:06,800
what that was is completely

2875
01:55:10,550 --> 01:55:08,639
up for speculation i think this dude

2876
01:55:11,510 --> 01:55:10,560
could have been played from the very

2877
01:55:14,149 --> 01:55:11,520
start

2878
01:55:15,910 --> 01:55:14,159
that what he was brought into was

2879
01:55:17,910 --> 01:55:15,920
something completely different

2880
01:55:19,750 --> 01:55:17,920
and they were feeding the feeding him

2881
01:55:20,550 --> 01:55:19,760
this stuff man so if he ever did come

2882
01:55:22,629 --> 01:55:20,560
out with what

2883
01:55:24,149 --> 01:55:22,639
he was reverse engineering there which

2884
01:55:25,589 --> 01:55:24,159
could have been chinese could have been

2885
01:55:28,870 --> 01:55:25,599
russian i don't know

2886
01:55:31,510 --> 01:55:28,880
um they said give him the alien story

2887
01:55:32,390 --> 01:55:31,520
and let it just run and see what happens

2888
01:55:34,950 --> 01:55:32,400
so

2889
01:55:37,750 --> 01:55:34,960
i i've met him i've talked to him he

2890
01:55:41,109 --> 01:55:37,760
seems like a genuine smart guy

2891
01:55:44,070 --> 01:55:41,119
but what do you do when there's

2892
01:55:44,790 --> 01:55:44,080
documented proof that someone lied about

2893
01:55:48,950 --> 01:55:44,800
their

2894
01:55:52,950 --> 01:55:48,960
knowledge on things

2895
01:55:57,030 --> 01:55:52,960
that's tough so oh man that that one

2896
01:55:59,910 --> 01:55:57,040
i'm on the fence but uh i believe bob

2897
01:56:00,390 --> 01:55:59,920
did some stuff out there at s4 what it

2898
01:56:03,589 --> 01:56:00,400
was

2899
01:56:06,950 --> 01:56:05,109
what's left i feel like i let you down

2900
01:56:10,310 --> 01:56:06,960
man no no no no

2901
01:56:15,589 --> 01:56:10,320
no no bob was my other heartbreak okay

2902
01:56:18,950 --> 01:56:15,599
you know and um up until very recently

2903
01:56:22,390 --> 01:56:18,960
um i was okay with

2904
01:56:25,189 --> 01:56:22,400
the holes in the story i was i was i was

2905
01:56:26,870 --> 01:56:25,199
i was okay with it um not to get into

2906
01:56:28,070 --> 01:56:26,880
details but there were a couple of other

2907
01:56:30,950 --> 01:56:28,080
things that surfaced

2908
01:56:32,310 --> 01:56:30,960
in in the last couple of years where i

2909
01:56:37,910 --> 01:56:32,320
just had to back up

2910
01:56:38,709 --> 01:56:37,920
it was tough for me to do it was tough

2911
01:56:42,390 --> 01:56:38,719
for me to do

2912
01:56:43,350 --> 01:56:42,400
rita will tell you um rita will tell you

2913
01:56:46,550 --> 01:56:43,360
that

2914
01:56:49,669 --> 01:56:46,560
i forced her over the last 20 years

2915
01:56:52,790 --> 01:56:49,679
to over and over again uh go

2916
01:56:55,990 --> 01:56:52,800
through all of bob's original uh

2917
01:56:56,709 --> 01:56:56,000
statements and presentations and videos

2918
01:57:04,629 --> 01:56:56,719
and

2919
01:57:07,669 --> 01:57:04,639
convinced that

2920
01:57:08,229 --> 01:57:07,679
he was telling the truth and i watched

2921
01:57:11,430 --> 01:57:08,239
it and

2922
01:57:14,229 --> 01:57:11,440
and so for me to back off of

2923
01:57:16,790 --> 01:57:14,239
you know a 25-year investment in into

2924
01:57:20,070 --> 01:57:16,800
bob was a tough thing for me to do

2925
01:57:23,589 --> 01:57:20,080
and uh so

2926
01:57:24,070 --> 01:57:23,599
i got in a brutal conversation on stage

2927
01:57:28,229 --> 01:57:24,080
with

2928
01:57:31,589 --> 01:57:28,239
uh stanton friedman yeah and and

2929
01:57:34,950 --> 01:57:31,599
it was it was something where um

2930
01:57:37,270 --> 01:57:34,960
after this ryan uh stanton and i

2931
01:57:39,350 --> 01:57:37,280
uh were off to the side of the stage

2932
01:57:41,910 --> 01:57:39,360
this is in front of like 1500 people

2933
01:57:44,070 --> 01:57:41,920
this is no joke and we went off the side

2934
01:57:45,350 --> 01:57:44,080
of the stage and i go stan i'm sorry he

2935
01:57:47,109 --> 01:57:45,360
hit me on the side of the shoulder and

2936
01:57:50,790 --> 01:57:47,119
goes you did okay kid

2937
01:57:54,229 --> 01:57:50,800
you know well but there you go

2938
01:57:57,589 --> 01:57:54,239
but but the point being that

2939
01:58:01,270 --> 01:57:57,599
um uh

2940
01:58:04,830 --> 01:58:01,280
i should have listened to others

2941
01:58:06,070 --> 01:58:04,840
we are blind too much we're blind in our

2942
01:58:09,589 --> 01:58:06,080
dedication

2943
01:58:10,310 --> 01:58:09,599
and there are people in the ufo

2944
01:58:12,870 --> 01:58:10,320
community

2945
01:58:15,830 --> 01:58:12,880
that are respected and looked up to

2946
01:58:18,550 --> 01:58:15,840
where sometimes our

2947
01:58:19,990 --> 01:58:18,560
ability to remain objective is something

2948
01:58:21,750 --> 01:58:20,000
that we lose sight of

2949
01:58:23,270 --> 01:58:21,760
and it's something that we're all proud

2950
01:58:25,109 --> 01:58:23,280
of oh i'm objective

2951
01:58:27,669 --> 01:58:25,119
i'll put up the fight on this i do my

2952
01:58:28,870 --> 01:58:27,679
research but we don't always do that do

2953
01:58:32,390 --> 01:58:28,880
we

2954
01:58:48,310 --> 01:58:32,400
i

2955
01:58:58,870 --> 01:58:48,320
was

2956
01:59:00,629 --> 01:58:58,880
coolest badass whistleblower of all time

2957
01:59:02,550 --> 01:59:00,639
and we know where that all led with the

2958
01:59:03,189 --> 01:59:02,560
rendelsham case and the controversy with

2959
01:59:06,470 --> 01:59:03,199
that

2960
01:59:07,430 --> 01:59:06,480
and it happens and i think um i think

2961
01:59:09,830 --> 01:59:07,440
like i said

2962
01:59:10,790 --> 01:59:09,840
someone like peter robbins my mentor who

2963
01:59:14,390 --> 01:59:10,800
worked with

2964
01:59:17,430 --> 01:59:14,400
a liar a deceitful person

2965
01:59:18,470 --> 01:59:17,440
who put a really big black eye in the

2966
01:59:21,589 --> 01:59:18,480
entire rendelsham

2967
01:59:24,149 --> 01:59:21,599
event uh the fact that

2968
01:59:25,189 --> 01:59:24,159
peter robbins can come forward and say i

2969
01:59:27,109 --> 01:59:25,199
was wrong

2970
01:59:28,310 --> 01:59:27,119
i was that was a tough statement for him

2971
01:59:31,350 --> 01:59:28,320
to write

2972
01:59:34,070 --> 01:59:31,360
yo man that like that's when i

2973
01:59:35,189 --> 01:59:34,080
truly decided this is my mentor someone

2974
01:59:37,030 --> 01:59:35,199
who can come forward

2975
01:59:38,390 --> 01:59:37,040
admit when they're wrong admit their

2976
01:59:41,189 --> 01:59:38,400
mistakes and

2977
01:59:43,189 --> 01:59:41,199
say you know it's just a classy move and

2978
01:59:45,669 --> 01:59:43,199
i wish more ufo researchers

2979
01:59:46,950 --> 01:59:45,679
were willing to do that when they know

2980
01:59:50,070 --> 01:59:46,960
that something's

2981
01:59:53,350 --> 01:59:50,080
not true or or isn't on the up and up

2982
01:59:54,149 --> 01:59:53,360
or just flat out change their mind i

2983
01:59:56,229 --> 01:59:54,159
know

2984
01:59:58,310 --> 01:59:56,239
i've been wrong in the past on things

2985
02:00:01,510 --> 01:59:58,320
and i try to

2986
02:00:02,629 --> 02:00:01,520
change that as best i can so yeah this

2987
02:00:05,510 --> 02:00:02,639
is not the field for you

2988
02:00:06,470 --> 02:00:05,520
if you think that uh you're right all

2989
02:00:09,030 --> 02:00:06,480
the time because

2990
02:00:10,070 --> 02:00:09,040
it's not it is not black and white

2991
02:00:11,430 --> 02:00:10,080
absolutely not

2992
02:00:13,189 --> 02:00:11,440
let's take our break right here i guess

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tonight ryan sprague i've been waiting

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02:02:57,189 --> 02:02:53,280
just call 760-231-9929

3060
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3061
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3062
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3063
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3064
02:03:17,229 --> 02:03:11,840
go back lee tappy this is the only way

3065
02:03:23,589 --> 02:03:17,239
this is made to black make contact

3066
02:03:26,790 --> 02:03:25,430
when you're in the house for longer

3067
02:03:29,030 --> 02:03:26,800
periods of time

3068
02:03:30,870 --> 02:03:29,040
you can see them flying or running

3069
02:03:34,550 --> 02:03:30,880
across the floor

3070
02:03:35,910 --> 02:03:34,560
ooh yuck they're unhealthy gross and

3071
02:03:40,149 --> 02:03:35,920
disgusting

3072
02:03:43,270 --> 02:03:40,159
bugs i loathe bugs we keep a clean home

3073
02:03:44,629 --> 02:03:43,280
but occasionally bugs show up well i

3074
02:03:47,589 --> 02:03:44,639
found something that is

3075
02:03:48,470 --> 02:03:47,599
tougher than bugs orange guard on

3076
02:03:51,669 --> 02:03:48,480
contact

3077
02:03:54,950 --> 02:03:51,679
it kills hidden bugs including ants

3078
02:03:57,669 --> 02:03:54,960
roaches and fleas plus orange guard

3079
02:03:59,750 --> 02:03:57,679
is a residual repellent all of the

3080
02:04:00,390 --> 02:03:59,760
ingredients of orange guard are on the

3081
02:04:03,510 --> 02:04:00,400
fda

3082
02:04:05,430 --> 02:04:03,520
generally recognized as safe list orange

3083
02:04:09,189 --> 02:04:05,440
guard may be used around food

3084
02:04:11,189 --> 02:04:09,199
humans and pets it comes with a 30 day

3085
02:04:13,790 --> 02:04:11,199
money back guarantee

3086
02:04:15,270 --> 02:04:13,800
orange guard available at

3087
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orangeguard.com

3088
02:04:24,310 --> 02:04:22,149
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3089
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3092
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3100
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3101
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3102
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02:05:01,830 --> 02:04:58,709
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3104
02:05:05,669 --> 02:05:01,840
you want to know a secret i love

3105
02:05:07,910 --> 02:05:05,679
ponies i really love ponies i'm serious

3106
02:05:09,270 --> 02:05:07,920
i couldn't stay sane without pulling mr

3107
02:05:12,470 --> 02:05:09,280
brush

3108
02:05:13,430 --> 02:05:12,480
why fade to black because you never got

3109
02:05:17,830 --> 02:05:13,440
that pony

3110
02:05:22,310 --> 02:05:19,990
this is fade to black with jimmy church

3111
02:05:40,629 --> 02:05:22,320
on the game changer radio network

3112
02:05:44,470 --> 02:05:42,069
welcome back fade to black i'm here with

3113
02:05:46,470 --> 02:05:44,480
jimmy church i guess tonight ryan spray

3114
02:05:48,069 --> 02:05:46,480
want to remind everybody tomorrow nights

3115
02:05:50,069 --> 02:05:48,079
james fox is here we're talking about

3116
02:05:51,189 --> 02:05:50,079
his new documentary the phenomenon we've

3117
02:05:52,790 --> 02:05:51,199
been covering it

3118
02:05:54,709 --> 02:05:52,800
for the last couple of years here on the

3119
02:05:56,149 --> 02:05:54,719
show with james and then wednesday night

3120
02:05:58,790 --> 02:05:56,159
ronnie dugdale

3121
02:06:00,790 --> 02:05:58,800
randall shim live from the uk and i

3122
02:06:03,270 --> 02:06:00,800
can't believe i'm saying this thursday

3123
02:06:06,870 --> 02:06:03,280
night is christmas eve merry christmas

3124
02:06:08,069 --> 02:06:06,880
everybody and we will do uh fader night

3125
02:06:10,310 --> 02:06:08,079
on thursday

3126
02:06:11,109 --> 02:06:10,320
open lines all night long ryan one of

3127
02:06:13,830 --> 02:06:11,119
these nights

3128
02:06:15,510 --> 02:06:13,840
uh we've got to get you on to answer the

3129
02:06:17,430 --> 02:06:15,520
phones with me

3130
02:06:19,109 --> 02:06:17,440
absolutely man i would love that man you

3131
02:06:23,270 --> 02:06:19,119
have no idea how cool it is

3132
02:06:25,990 --> 02:06:23,280
you have no idea it is the absolute best

3133
02:06:27,109 --> 02:06:26,000
um now uh i want to talk about young

3134
02:06:30,870 --> 02:06:27,119
guns

3135
02:06:35,430 --> 02:06:30,880
and do you consider yourself

3136
02:06:38,790 --> 02:06:37,990
at one point i did yeah and i was very

3137
02:06:41,350 --> 02:06:38,800
proud of that

3138
02:06:42,069 --> 02:06:41,360
and i will always hold that badge and

3139
02:06:44,470 --> 02:06:42,079
that honor

3140
02:06:46,229 --> 02:06:44,480
of being one of the younger people to

3141
02:06:48,870 --> 02:06:46,239
have gotten involved with this

3142
02:06:49,510 --> 02:06:48,880
topic on a i guess a semi-professional

3143
02:06:52,149 --> 02:06:49,520
level

3144
02:06:53,910 --> 02:06:52,159
but like i said man i'm i'm getting

3145
02:06:56,709 --> 02:06:53,920
emails from people

3146
02:06:59,030 --> 02:06:56,719
in high school in college saying hey i'm

3147
02:07:01,030 --> 02:06:59,040
writing a paper about ufos

3148
02:07:02,229 --> 02:07:01,040
your name popped up online i'd love to

3149
02:07:05,270 --> 02:07:02,239
talk to you about it

3150
02:07:07,430 --> 02:07:05,280
and that like i said is so refreshing if

3151
02:07:08,870 --> 02:07:07,440
i can no longer be the young gun i think

3152
02:07:10,629 --> 02:07:08,880
we're doing a good job

3153
02:07:13,910 --> 02:07:10,639
of getting younger people involved to

3154
02:07:16,470 --> 02:07:13,920
this topic that it has severely lacked

3155
02:07:17,910 --> 02:07:16,480
for a really long time do you do you

3156
02:07:21,669 --> 02:07:17,920
hang out in the young gun

3157
02:07:22,950 --> 02:07:21,679
community that is out there hashtag ufo

3158
02:07:25,189 --> 02:07:22,960
twitter man

3159
02:07:26,470 --> 02:07:25,199
that's what that's right yeah i haven't

3160
02:07:29,189 --> 02:07:26,480
done it

3161
02:07:30,709 --> 02:07:29,199
uh i haven't uh i haven't jumped into

3162
02:07:33,750 --> 02:07:30,719
there but tell me about it

3163
02:07:35,510 --> 02:07:33,760
it's a uh it's an interesting place it

3164
02:07:37,350 --> 02:07:35,520
really is i mean there's a lot of good

3165
02:07:40,229 --> 02:07:37,360
conversations going on

3166
02:07:41,109 --> 02:07:40,239
over there with some very passionate

3167
02:07:42,870 --> 02:07:41,119
people

3168
02:07:44,629 --> 02:07:42,880
i mean and again these are a lot of

3169
02:07:47,189 --> 02:07:44,639
people who have um sort of

3170
02:07:49,270 --> 02:07:47,199
popped up in the last few years since

3171
02:07:50,229 --> 02:07:49,280
the the new york times story broke and

3172
02:07:53,350 --> 02:07:50,239
ttsa

3173
02:07:54,310 --> 02:07:53,360
this that and uh it's been cool to

3174
02:07:57,270 --> 02:07:54,320
connect in

3175
02:07:57,750 --> 02:07:57,280
and meet all these uh young passionate

3176
02:08:01,030 --> 02:07:57,760
people

3177
02:08:03,270 --> 02:08:01,040
interested in the topic but my concern

3178
02:08:04,069 --> 02:08:03,280
for some of them is what you brought up

3179
02:08:06,149 --> 02:08:04,079
earlier

3180
02:08:08,550 --> 02:08:06,159
is they don't know the history they

3181
02:08:10,069 --> 02:08:08,560
don't know that we've had companies come

3182
02:08:11,350 --> 02:08:10,079
along in the past who promised

3183
02:08:13,430 --> 02:08:11,360
disclosure

3184
02:08:14,470 --> 02:08:13,440
and then they turn around and it never

3185
02:08:17,669 --> 02:08:14,480
happened

3186
02:08:19,350 --> 02:08:17,679
so i think if there's anything i can say

3187
02:08:21,990 --> 02:08:19,360
to the young people out there

3188
02:08:22,790 --> 02:08:22,000
who might be listening to you right now

3189
02:08:26,229 --> 02:08:22,800
um

3190
02:08:26,709 --> 02:08:26,239
is do your homework and don't be afraid

3191
02:08:28,790 --> 02:08:26,719
to ask

3192
02:08:31,030 --> 02:08:28,800
questions and don't believe the first

3193
02:08:33,030 --> 02:08:31,040
thing you come across because that's

3194
02:08:34,149 --> 02:08:33,040
that's not going to do you any good man

3195
02:08:37,430 --> 02:08:34,159
so yeah

3196
02:08:39,109 --> 02:08:37,440
i think young guns is uh is

3197
02:08:41,189 --> 02:08:39,119
a good way to look at it but i don't

3198
02:08:43,510 --> 02:08:41,199
think it's the only way to look at it

3199
02:08:44,390 --> 02:08:43,520
well and that that's certainly good

3200
02:08:47,910 --> 02:08:44,400
advice

3201
02:08:50,709 --> 02:08:47,920
uh but what about uh what about

3202
02:08:51,830 --> 02:08:50,719
jumping in uh to the deep end of the

3203
02:08:54,790 --> 02:08:51,840
pool

3204
02:08:56,790 --> 02:08:54,800
right and and absolutely getting

3205
02:09:00,069 --> 02:08:56,800
committed before

3206
02:09:03,270 --> 02:09:00,079
uh that it's the heartbreak in the end

3207
02:09:06,390 --> 02:09:03,280
which so many find themselves having

3208
02:09:09,270 --> 02:09:06,400
yeah it's tough i mean i

3209
02:09:09,990 --> 02:09:09,280
i went into it blind and i had to learn

3210
02:09:13,830 --> 02:09:10,000
along the way

3211
02:09:14,470 --> 02:09:13,840
and i stumbled and and i decided i was

3212
02:09:16,390 --> 02:09:14,480
no longer

3213
02:09:19,109 --> 02:09:16,400
going to pursue this avenue of research

3214
02:09:20,950 --> 02:09:19,119
because i trusted the people telling me

3215
02:09:24,149 --> 02:09:20,960
that you don't want to do that

3216
02:09:25,030 --> 02:09:24,159
so if you can find one person in this

3217
02:09:27,830 --> 02:09:25,040
field

3218
02:09:29,350 --> 02:09:27,840
who you trust who you can look up to

3219
02:09:29,990 --> 02:09:29,360
that they don't have to be older than

3220
02:09:33,830 --> 02:09:30,000
you

3221
02:09:35,910 --> 02:09:33,840
than me now that i go to for information

3222
02:09:38,870 --> 02:09:35,920
it's amazing it's awesome

3223
02:09:39,990 --> 02:09:38,880
um but but you you form that bond of

3224
02:09:42,870 --> 02:09:40,000
trust and

3225
02:09:43,830 --> 02:09:42,880
and it takes a lot to to break that so

3226
02:09:46,950 --> 02:09:43,840
um

3227
02:09:49,350 --> 02:09:46,960
i've i've dived in head deep

3228
02:09:51,830 --> 02:09:49,360
and um and come out on the other side

3229
02:09:54,550 --> 02:09:51,840
more confused and with more questions

3230
02:09:55,669 --> 02:09:54,560
than i ever had answers and um that

3231
02:09:58,390 --> 02:09:55,679
doesn't change

3232
02:10:00,390 --> 02:09:58,400
even when you do go down the right paths

3233
02:10:03,750 --> 02:10:00,400
and do the research you uh

3234
02:10:06,790 --> 02:10:03,760
you're not gonna it's hard man

3235
02:10:10,790 --> 02:10:06,800
it's hard now how do you

3236
02:10:13,510 --> 02:10:10,800
how do you how do you trust these days

3237
02:10:14,390 --> 02:10:13,520
you know how how are you using

3238
02:10:17,669 --> 02:10:14,400
discernment

3239
02:10:18,550 --> 02:10:17,679
on these different subjects and before

3240
02:10:20,069 --> 02:10:18,560
you answer that

3241
02:10:23,350 --> 02:10:20,079
the next question is going to be about

3242
02:10:27,990 --> 02:10:23,360
the pentagon and what is going on

3243
02:10:31,430 --> 02:10:28,000
so how do you build the wall

3244
02:10:34,790 --> 02:10:31,440
uh i would like to say

3245
02:10:38,149 --> 02:10:34,800
that i pride myself on uh good judgment

3246
02:10:39,030 --> 02:10:38,159
of people and a gut feeling of when i'm

3247
02:10:42,629 --> 02:10:39,040
being lied to

3248
02:10:43,189 --> 02:10:42,639
or when i'm being deceived i could be

3249
02:10:45,750 --> 02:10:43,199
wrong

3250
02:10:46,790 --> 02:10:45,760
but i think at this point in my research

3251
02:10:49,589 --> 02:10:46,800
i have uh

3252
02:10:51,270 --> 02:10:49,599
built up those skills to sort of be able

3253
02:10:54,790 --> 02:10:51,280
to discern between

3254
02:10:58,069 --> 02:10:54,800
someone giving me complete bs or um

3255
02:11:01,990 --> 02:10:58,079
you know tiptoeing around something

3256
02:11:05,270 --> 02:11:02,000
and and and not so it's not easy man

3257
02:11:08,310 --> 02:11:05,280
it's not easy these uh

3258
02:11:11,910 --> 02:11:08,320
uh the generations

3259
02:11:15,589 --> 02:11:11,920
it's it's now uh plural uh if we go

3260
02:11:18,629 --> 02:11:15,599
uh back 25 30 years millennials and

3261
02:11:22,229 --> 02:11:18,639
and zeers and exeters and things um

3262
02:11:24,709 --> 02:11:22,239
that the internet is now

3263
02:11:25,910 --> 02:11:24,719
a focal point of if something is on the

3264
02:11:28,470 --> 02:11:25,920
internet

3265
02:11:29,430 --> 02:11:28,480
then we can trust it if it has gone that

3266
02:11:31,750 --> 02:11:29,440
far

3267
02:11:33,030 --> 02:11:31,760
and i think that is a very very

3268
02:11:35,910 --> 02:11:33,040
dangerous zone

3269
02:11:37,510 --> 02:11:35,920
the old school way of doing things like

3270
02:11:38,069 --> 02:11:37,520
you had mentioned earlier getting in

3271
02:11:40,229 --> 02:11:38,079
your car

3272
02:11:42,470 --> 02:11:40,239
going to a location doing interviewing

3273
02:11:44,950 --> 02:11:42,480
somebody on location taking pictures

3274
02:11:45,750 --> 02:11:44,960
um now it is is so focused on the

3275
02:11:48,069 --> 02:11:45,760
internet

3276
02:11:49,350 --> 02:11:48,079
where this research is done in front of

3277
02:11:52,550 --> 02:11:49,360
a computer

3278
02:11:55,430 --> 02:11:52,560
and isn't done in a physical sense

3279
02:11:57,030 --> 02:11:55,440
and the these generations now today

3280
02:12:00,149 --> 02:11:57,040
depend on the internet

3281
02:12:04,149 --> 02:12:00,159
and what is fed to them how dangerous

3282
02:12:06,709 --> 02:12:04,159
is that it's it's very dangerous

3283
02:12:07,589 --> 02:12:06,719
i mean and that goes far beyond the ufo

3284
02:12:10,229 --> 02:12:07,599
topic

3285
02:12:11,830 --> 02:12:10,239
i mean we have conspiracy theories out

3286
02:12:13,510 --> 02:12:11,840
there that have caused people to go out

3287
02:12:16,149 --> 02:12:13,520
and do horrendous things

3288
02:12:16,550 --> 02:12:16,159
to their fellow human being so i think

3289
02:12:21,030 --> 02:12:16,560
it's

3290
02:12:22,790 --> 02:12:21,040
can't tell up from down left from right

3291
02:12:23,990 --> 02:12:22,800
who's telling the truth who's not what's

3292
02:12:28,069 --> 02:12:24,000
fake news what isn't

3293
02:12:31,510 --> 02:12:28,079
um you know do i do this do i do that uh

3294
02:12:34,709 --> 02:12:31,520
it's maddening and it's confusing

3295
02:12:38,229 --> 02:12:34,719
so when it comes to this topic it just

3296
02:12:40,790 --> 02:12:38,239
amplifies that because it's a topic with

3297
02:12:42,790 --> 02:12:40,800
so much history and so much baggage

3298
02:12:45,430 --> 02:12:42,800
that you don't know where to go who to

3299
02:12:47,350 --> 02:12:45,440
turn to especially when you have

3300
02:12:49,510 --> 02:12:47,360
the pentagon saying yeah we're going to

3301
02:12:52,149 --> 02:12:49,520
create a task force look into ufos

3302
02:12:53,750 --> 02:12:52,159
and everyone says yeah awesome the

3303
02:12:55,669 --> 02:12:53,760
government's looking into it

3304
02:12:56,950 --> 02:12:55,679
and that's when i'm like whoa guys hold

3305
02:12:59,109 --> 02:12:56,960
the brakes here

3306
02:13:01,189 --> 02:12:59,119
like this is the same government that

3307
02:13:02,470 --> 02:13:01,199
for 70 plus years you've said has been

3308
02:13:04,629 --> 02:13:02,480
lying to you

3309
02:13:06,390 --> 02:13:04,639
and now the minute they say we got you

3310
02:13:09,350 --> 02:13:06,400
guys we're gonna look into this

3311
02:13:11,030 --> 02:13:09,360
we're gonna find some answers boom and

3312
02:13:14,390 --> 02:13:11,040
then we're so quick to say

3313
02:13:16,310 --> 02:13:14,400
awesome yay pentagon so i struggle man

3314
02:13:18,870 --> 02:13:16,320
while i think it's cool that the

3315
02:13:19,990 --> 02:13:18,880
there's a uap task force that's gonna

3316
02:13:22,950 --> 02:13:20,000
look into it

3317
02:13:24,629 --> 02:13:22,960
uh at the same time i'm like yeah and

3318
02:13:27,669 --> 02:13:24,639
that's also the same people

3319
02:13:30,149 --> 02:13:27,679
who created project blue book to

3320
02:13:31,750 --> 02:13:30,159
explain away everything and tell their

3321
02:13:33,990 --> 02:13:31,760
investigators and their

3322
02:13:34,790 --> 02:13:34,000
their hired astronomers just tell them

3323
02:13:37,189 --> 02:13:34,800
it was this

3324
02:13:38,470 --> 02:13:37,199
okay let's just get this monkey off our

3325
02:13:41,430 --> 02:13:38,480
back and move on

3326
02:13:42,790 --> 02:13:41,440
um history repeats itself and i've been

3327
02:13:45,430 --> 02:13:42,800
told that by the old guard

3328
02:13:46,470 --> 02:13:45,440
when ttsa first came around i was so

3329
02:13:49,910 --> 02:13:46,480
excited

3330
02:13:51,669 --> 02:13:49,920
and they said ryan we've seen this

3331
02:13:53,350 --> 02:13:51,679
twice before where groups have come

3332
02:13:54,709 --> 02:13:53,360
around and said we're gonna get

3333
02:13:56,870 --> 02:13:54,719
everything for you guys

3334
02:13:58,550 --> 02:13:56,880
we've got insiders in the government who

3335
02:14:01,510 --> 02:13:58,560
are going to give us information

3336
02:14:03,350 --> 02:14:01,520
and maybe they are who's to say i mean

3337
02:14:05,750 --> 02:14:03,360
we found two leaked reports

3338
02:14:07,270 --> 02:14:05,760
over at the debrief of uh what the

3339
02:14:09,430 --> 02:14:07,280
pentagon is looking at

3340
02:14:10,470 --> 02:14:09,440
and that had to come from people leaking

3341
02:14:13,030 --> 02:14:10,480
that to us

3342
02:14:13,750 --> 02:14:13,040
it wasn't the pentagon being transparent

3343
02:14:15,270 --> 02:14:13,760
and saying

3344
02:14:17,109 --> 02:14:15,280
hey public remember we said we were

3345
02:14:19,669 --> 02:14:17,119
going to give you stuff here it is

3346
02:14:21,270 --> 02:14:19,679
because they're not jimmy they're not i

3347
02:14:22,950 --> 02:14:21,280
know that for a fact i've talked to the

3348
02:14:25,270 --> 02:14:22,960
pentagon spokesperson

3349
02:14:26,950 --> 02:14:25,280
and i asked are we going to get anything

3350
02:14:30,550 --> 02:14:26,960
and they said

3351
02:14:33,589 --> 02:14:30,560
in so many words as they do uh

3352
02:14:37,270 --> 02:14:33,599
no it's not gonna happen why why

3353
02:14:40,229 --> 02:14:37,280
was it uh that we have two different

3354
02:14:41,669 --> 02:14:40,239
approaches to the pentagon right now the

3355
02:14:45,510 --> 02:14:41,679
ufo community

3356
02:14:47,830 --> 02:14:45,520
uh in general we're not trusting the man

3357
02:14:49,589 --> 02:14:47,840
we'll we'll ride this out we'll we'll

3358
02:14:51,750 --> 02:14:49,599
hold back and see what happens

3359
02:14:52,790 --> 02:14:51,760
and then we have the other side uh

3360
02:14:55,910 --> 02:14:52,800
outside of the

3361
02:14:59,109 --> 02:14:55,920
ufo community that is right there

3362
02:15:02,069 --> 02:14:59,119
and ready to embrace and trust uh the

3363
02:15:04,790 --> 02:15:02,079
pentagon for disclosure

3364
02:15:05,830 --> 02:15:04,800
why why don't others listen to the ufo

3365
02:15:07,910 --> 02:15:05,840
community

3366
02:15:09,910 --> 02:15:07,920
what we're saying you know that's it you

3367
02:15:11,189 --> 02:15:09,920
know not so fast we've been down this

3368
02:15:14,390 --> 02:15:11,199
road

3369
02:15:15,589 --> 02:15:14,400
i think again i mean for 70 plus years

3370
02:15:17,830 --> 02:15:15,599
we've been screaming

3371
02:15:19,990 --> 02:15:17,840
the government's covering this up it

3372
02:15:23,669 --> 02:15:20,000
started in 47 it's gone

3373
02:15:27,189 --> 02:15:23,679
on ever since then and then you know

3374
02:15:30,149 --> 02:15:27,199
boom that story drops and people

3375
02:15:30,629 --> 02:15:30,159
came out of the woodwork and said whoa

3376
02:15:33,669 --> 02:15:30,639
like

3377
02:15:36,709 --> 02:15:33,679
the government's looking into ufos

3378
02:15:39,189 --> 02:15:36,719
yeah and they have been since 47

3379
02:15:40,390 --> 02:15:39,199
um or when blue book was around or

3380
02:15:44,310 --> 02:15:40,400
grudge or sign

3381
02:15:47,109 --> 02:15:44,320
or whatnot um and it was all an exercise

3382
02:15:48,470 --> 02:15:47,119
in publicity to tell the public

3383
02:15:51,270 --> 02:15:48,480
everything's okay

3384
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:51,280
national is fine and we're seeing that

3385
02:15:55,430 --> 02:15:52,800
play out today

3386
02:15:56,550 --> 02:15:55,440
as well with the uap task force and i'm

3387
02:15:59,189 --> 02:15:56,560
not i'm not

3388
02:15:59,830 --> 02:15:59,199
saying that this isn't a groundbreaking

3389
02:16:03,270 --> 02:15:59,840
thing

3390
02:16:04,310 --> 02:16:03,280
it is it's big it's huge uh but at the

3391
02:16:06,149 --> 02:16:04,320
same time man

3392
02:16:08,310 --> 02:16:06,159
we have to look at what has happened

3393
02:16:09,030 --> 02:16:08,320
before and make sure it doesn't happen

3394
02:16:11,510 --> 02:16:09,040
again

3395
02:16:12,550 --> 02:16:11,520
and i think we have diligent citizen

3396
02:16:14,310 --> 02:16:12,560
journalists

3397
02:16:15,750 --> 02:16:14,320
who are forcing the department of

3398
02:16:18,149 --> 02:16:15,760
defense into the corner

3399
02:16:20,149 --> 02:16:18,159
to make a statement or to make a comment

3400
02:16:23,030 --> 02:16:20,159
or we do have intel people

3401
02:16:23,750 --> 02:16:23,040
leaking navy ufo videos to the new york

3402
02:16:25,030 --> 02:16:23,760
times

3403
02:16:27,109 --> 02:16:25,040
and that's how we're going to get our

3404
02:16:28,709 --> 02:16:27,119
information is that the way we want it

3405
02:16:31,189 --> 02:16:28,719
probably not we want that grand

3406
02:16:33,429 --> 02:16:31,199
disclosure of the government saying

3407
02:16:34,469 --> 02:16:33,439
ladies and gentlemen aliens are real

3408
02:16:36,230 --> 02:16:34,479
we've known about it

3409
02:16:38,150 --> 02:16:36,240
it's never going to happen well when we

3410
02:16:41,030 --> 02:16:38,160
talk about heartbreak

3411
02:16:43,270 --> 02:16:41,040
certainly with this new generation right

3412
02:16:44,150 --> 02:16:43,280
now that has got interest in the ufo

3413
02:16:45,589 --> 02:16:44,160
topic

3414
02:16:48,549 --> 02:16:45,599
because of what has happened with the

3415
02:16:51,349 --> 02:16:48,559
new york times since december 2017

3416
02:16:52,790 --> 02:16:51,359
and and what ttsa represents and and

3417
02:16:55,509 --> 02:16:52,800
this is the moment

3418
02:16:56,389 --> 02:16:55,519
if ttsa folds if they pull up their

3419
02:17:00,150 --> 02:16:56,399
stakes and

3420
02:17:02,629 --> 02:17:00,160
and and close down think about

3421
02:17:03,750 --> 02:17:02,639
all of those supporters that went into

3422
02:17:05,589 --> 02:17:03,760
this blind

3423
02:17:07,110 --> 02:17:05,599
and are gonna taste the heartache that

3424
02:17:09,349 --> 02:17:07,120
so many of us uh

3425
02:17:10,950 --> 02:17:09,359
at heartbreak that so many of us have

3426
02:17:12,870 --> 02:17:10,960
went through before

3427
02:17:14,230 --> 02:17:12,880
i don't think that they're prepared

3428
02:17:16,070 --> 02:17:14,240
really for

3429
02:17:17,910 --> 02:17:16,080
for something like this when they have

3430
02:17:20,629 --> 02:17:17,920
absolutely dedicated

3431
02:17:22,950 --> 02:17:20,639
so much time and belief into this

3432
02:17:27,509 --> 02:17:22,960
pentagon ttsa disclosure

3433
02:17:28,070 --> 02:17:27,519
uh situation absolutely man and i said

3434
02:17:30,309 --> 02:17:28,080
this

3435
02:17:32,790 --> 02:17:30,319
from the very start when ttsa came

3436
02:17:34,790 --> 02:17:32,800
around i told these people don't put all

3437
02:17:37,589 --> 02:17:34,800
your eggs in this basket guys

3438
02:17:38,549 --> 02:17:37,599
for every military ufo encounter that

3439
02:17:40,549 --> 02:17:38,559
ttsa

3440
02:17:42,870 --> 02:17:40,559
might look into and bring to the public

3441
02:17:46,150 --> 02:17:42,880
there's a hundred civilian witnesses

3442
02:17:46,790 --> 02:17:46,160
who had a ufo sighting that is just as

3443
02:17:49,509 --> 02:17:46,800
credible

3444
02:17:49,990 --> 02:17:49,519
we look to pilots we look to military as

3445
02:17:53,190 --> 02:17:50,000
as

3446
02:17:54,629 --> 02:17:53,200
these shining examples of a witness

3447
02:17:56,549 --> 02:17:54,639
and they are to an extent they're

3448
02:17:58,389 --> 02:17:56,559
trained observers and i

3449
02:17:59,669 --> 02:17:58,399
understand that completely i would never

3450
02:18:02,389 --> 02:17:59,679
take that away from them

3451
02:18:02,950 --> 02:18:02,399
but we also have people in every walks

3452
02:18:05,990 --> 02:18:02,960
of life

3453
02:18:08,469 --> 02:18:06,000
police officers and um uh uh

3454
02:18:10,469 --> 02:18:08,479
baristas and and everyone you could

3455
02:18:13,589 --> 02:18:10,479
think about they're having experiences

3456
02:18:14,230 --> 02:18:13,599
so i said look let's use tsa do their

3457
02:18:16,549 --> 02:18:14,240
thing

3458
02:18:18,309 --> 02:18:16,559
but keep doing your work and keep

3459
02:18:19,589 --> 02:18:18,319
looking for people out there who've had

3460
02:18:23,030 --> 02:18:19,599
these experiences well

3461
02:18:26,389 --> 02:18:23,040
as well ttsa is a tiny cog

3462
02:18:28,870 --> 02:18:26,399
in this machine of this mystery and

3463
02:18:29,990 --> 02:18:28,880
you know companies come and go i i mean

3464
02:18:32,790 --> 02:18:30,000
i heard rumors

3465
02:18:35,110 --> 02:18:32,800
as early as this morning that very

3466
02:18:35,990 --> 02:18:35,120
prominent members of ttsa are calling it

3467
02:18:38,709 --> 02:18:36,000
quits

3468
02:18:39,270 --> 02:18:38,719
and walking away not uh we don't know

3469
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:39,280
why

3470
02:18:42,469 --> 02:18:41,519
um this might just be speculation i

3471
02:18:45,270 --> 02:18:42,479
cannot

3472
02:18:45,990 --> 02:18:45,280
um really confirm that but you're right

3473
02:18:48,070 --> 02:18:46,000
man

3474
02:18:49,589 --> 02:18:48,080
if this company goes away what's gonna

3475
02:18:52,389 --> 02:18:49,599
happen to all those people

3476
02:18:53,990 --> 02:18:52,399
i hope hope hope they will stick around

3477
02:18:54,709 --> 02:18:54,000
and see that there's much more to this

3478
02:18:56,549 --> 02:18:54,719
topic

3479
02:18:58,070 --> 02:18:56,559
than just this one company that's come

3480
02:19:01,349 --> 02:18:58,080
around in the last few years

3481
02:19:03,030 --> 02:19:01,359
what what happens um and that's a pretty

3482
02:19:04,870 --> 02:19:03,040
frightening thought because you have

3483
02:19:07,669 --> 02:19:04,880
investors and shareholders

3484
02:19:09,349 --> 02:19:07,679
right that that believed in the mission

3485
02:19:10,709 --> 02:19:09,359
you know companies go all the time and

3486
02:19:12,549 --> 02:19:10,719
if you're a shareholder and they

3487
02:19:13,429 --> 02:19:12,559
bankrupt or they put you know they they

3488
02:19:16,549 --> 02:19:13,439
fold

3489
02:19:19,589 --> 02:19:16,559
they just do in this case it's different

3490
02:19:23,509 --> 02:19:19,599
this is the ufo question where people

3491
02:19:25,990 --> 02:19:23,519
are emotionally invested into ttsa

3492
02:19:27,910 --> 02:19:26,000
it's it's not they're not investing into

3493
02:19:31,429 --> 02:19:27,920
tesla or general motors

3494
02:19:34,950 --> 02:19:31,439
or verizon or starbucks this is

3495
02:19:36,870 --> 02:19:34,960
a ufo technology to benefit humanity

3496
02:19:39,190 --> 02:19:36,880
right and that that's a whole other

3497
02:19:41,429 --> 02:19:39,200
reason for investment

3498
02:19:43,110 --> 02:19:41,439
what happens to the shareholders and and

3499
02:19:46,950 --> 02:19:43,120
their emotional investment

3500
02:19:48,070 --> 02:19:46,960
in into ttsa your guess is as good as

3501
02:19:51,590 --> 02:19:48,080
mine all i could say

3502
02:19:54,790 --> 02:19:51,600
is uh if you didn't go into this

3503
02:19:55,429 --> 02:19:54,800
investing um and knowing that you might

3504
02:19:57,429 --> 02:19:55,439
not get

3505
02:19:59,030 --> 02:19:57,439
something out of it at the end of the

3506
02:20:02,309 --> 02:19:59,040
tunnel

3507
02:20:03,349 --> 02:20:02,319
that's your thing to struggle with and

3508
02:20:07,110 --> 02:20:03,359
to deal with

3509
02:20:11,190 --> 02:20:07,120
and that's why i never supported them

3510
02:20:12,150 --> 02:20:11,200
because everyone has ambitions to find

3511
02:20:17,349 --> 02:20:12,160
answers

3512
02:20:19,030 --> 02:20:17,359
himself or for the public

3513
02:20:21,270 --> 02:20:19,040
but at the end of the day man it doesn't

3514
02:20:23,030 --> 02:20:21,280
matter what organization is doing it

3515
02:20:26,469 --> 02:20:23,040
mufon or ttsa

3516
02:20:28,469 --> 02:20:26,479
like people are interested in this topic

3517
02:20:31,429 --> 02:20:28,479
for themselves and i don't mean that in

3518
02:20:33,510 --> 02:20:31,439
a selfish way i mean if you had a ufo

3519
02:20:34,630 --> 02:20:33,520
sighting you want to figure out what

3520
02:20:37,349 --> 02:20:34,640
that was

3521
02:20:39,190 --> 02:20:37,359
you're not out there to tell the

3522
02:20:40,230 --> 02:20:39,200
billions of people on the planet we are

3523
02:20:42,389 --> 02:20:40,240
not alone

3524
02:20:44,389 --> 02:20:42,399
you're there to try to uncover what

3525
02:20:46,550 --> 02:20:44,399
happened to you personally this is a

3526
02:20:49,190 --> 02:20:46,560
deeply personal topic

3527
02:20:50,389 --> 02:20:49,200
like you said for so many people there's

3528
02:20:52,389 --> 02:20:50,399
so many

3529
02:20:55,270 --> 02:20:52,399
layers to put on top of it when it comes

3530
02:20:57,990 --> 02:20:55,280
to that and what they want out of it so

3531
02:20:59,270 --> 02:20:58,000
um i said from the start temper your

3532
02:21:01,990 --> 02:20:59,280
expectations

3533
02:21:03,110 --> 02:21:02,000
and um just know that nothing is forever

3534
02:21:06,150 --> 02:21:03,120
and

3535
02:21:08,950 --> 02:21:06,160
right now you know

3536
02:21:11,190 --> 02:21:08,960
well um we're we're heading i'm going to

3537
02:21:13,750 --> 02:21:11,200
keep you over for overtime

3538
02:21:14,389 --> 02:21:13,760
are you down okay so you're committed to

3539
02:21:17,670 --> 02:21:14,399
that

3540
02:21:20,389 --> 02:21:17,680
you got him in okay he's committed uh

3541
02:21:21,429 --> 02:21:20,399
normally at this time the uh uh twitter

3542
02:21:23,910 --> 02:21:21,439
starts lighting up

3543
02:21:25,190 --> 02:21:23,920
and asking me for overtime so before

3544
02:21:27,349 --> 02:21:25,200
that happens

3545
02:21:28,950 --> 02:21:27,359
we've just gotten that out of the way

3546
02:21:30,230 --> 02:21:28,960
what is your and we're going to talk

3547
02:21:33,349 --> 02:21:30,240
about this when we come back

3548
02:21:35,750 --> 02:21:33,359
what is your definition of disclosure it

3549
02:21:38,150 --> 02:21:35,760
means so much

3550
02:21:39,270 --> 02:21:38,160
to so many people but it's always just a

3551
02:21:41,990 --> 02:21:39,280
slightly different

3552
02:21:44,309 --> 02:21:42,000
take so when you think about disclosure

3553
02:21:47,830 --> 02:21:44,319
what's your definition

3554
02:21:49,670 --> 02:21:47,840
person by person i do not believe we're

3555
02:21:50,550 --> 02:21:49,680
ever going to get that grand disclosure

3556
02:21:52,870 --> 02:21:50,560
of

3557
02:21:53,670 --> 02:21:52,880
why you know saucer on the white house

3558
02:21:57,349 --> 02:21:53,680
lawn

3559
02:21:59,110 --> 02:21:57,359
or a world leader saying here it is

3560
02:22:01,429 --> 02:21:59,120
it's not going to happen i just don't

3561
02:22:03,349 --> 02:22:01,439
personally believe that i believe that

3562
02:22:05,349 --> 02:22:03,359
every person who saw something

3563
02:22:06,790 --> 02:22:05,359
that they can't explain that's

3564
02:22:09,190 --> 02:22:06,800
disclosure for them

3565
02:22:10,230 --> 02:22:09,200
or maybe the new york times article was

3566
02:22:11,990 --> 02:22:10,240
disclosure

3567
02:22:14,550 --> 02:22:12,000
you know that's not you know that's not

3568
02:22:17,030 --> 02:22:14,560
a good enough statement for so many

3569
02:22:17,670 --> 02:22:17,040
yeah oh i know i'm well aware of that

3570
02:22:20,469 --> 02:22:17,680
and it

3571
02:22:21,030 --> 02:22:20,479
again if if if people take issue with

3572
02:22:27,990 --> 02:22:21,040
that

3573
02:22:31,510 --> 02:22:28,000
person

3574
02:22:34,389 --> 02:22:31,520
experiencing this uh is going to lead

3575
02:22:35,510 --> 02:22:34,399
to that overall perception of this topic

3576
02:22:37,510 --> 02:22:35,520
at the end of the day

3577
02:22:39,030 --> 02:22:37,520
were you had contact in the desert uh

3578
02:22:41,510 --> 02:22:39,040
two years ago

3579
02:22:42,950 --> 02:22:41,520
i was not i was supposed to go right

3580
02:22:45,429 --> 02:22:42,960
before the pandemic

3581
02:22:47,030 --> 02:22:45,439
um to speak and i didn't get my

3582
02:22:50,230 --> 02:22:47,040
opportunity unfortunately

3583
02:22:51,270 --> 02:22:50,240
um okay so two years ago well uh two

3584
02:22:54,309 --> 02:22:51,280
years ago

3585
02:22:56,469 --> 02:22:54,319
um um each each uh

3586
02:22:57,750 --> 02:22:56,479
contact on sunday night i host the

3587
02:23:00,230 --> 02:22:57,760
closing

3588
02:23:01,429 --> 02:23:00,240
uh a panel and ceremony and stuff and

3589
02:23:04,070 --> 02:23:01,439
it's it's a pretty good

3590
02:23:06,150 --> 02:23:04,080
it's an honor and a privilege but what

3591
02:23:09,590 --> 02:23:06,160
happens on sunday night

3592
02:23:12,870 --> 02:23:09,600
is because it is the end uh

3593
02:23:13,830 --> 02:23:12,880
everybody's packed in in in in the giant

3594
02:23:16,469 --> 02:23:13,840
room

3595
02:23:18,389 --> 02:23:16,479
uh i don't know 2 000 people right right

3596
02:23:21,030 --> 02:23:18,399
it's it's pretty intense

3597
02:23:22,070 --> 02:23:21,040
and so i'm hosting the closing panel

3598
02:23:25,590 --> 02:23:22,080
ryan

3599
02:23:29,429 --> 02:23:25,600
and i made the mistake of saying

3600
02:23:33,030 --> 02:23:29,439
to 2 000 people i don't need disclosure

3601
02:23:37,750 --> 02:23:33,040
i've seen what i've seen right

3602
02:23:40,950 --> 02:23:37,760
yeah the booze were deafening

3603
02:23:41,429 --> 02:23:40,960
okay and and everybody squirmed on the

3604
02:23:45,429 --> 02:23:41,439
panel

3605
02:23:47,030 --> 02:23:45,439
got linda i've got peter lavender i've

3606
02:23:51,030 --> 02:23:47,040
got uh richard dolan

3607
02:23:54,389 --> 02:23:51,040
i think jason quit uh uh there was 10

3608
02:23:57,750 --> 02:23:54,399
12 people on this panel and uh

3609
02:23:58,830 --> 02:23:57,760
and the squirming that was there because

3610
02:24:01,910 --> 02:23:58,840
of the booze

3611
02:24:04,550 --> 02:24:01,920
right and i said so

3612
02:24:05,590 --> 02:24:04,560
what is it that everybody here needs do

3613
02:24:07,670 --> 02:24:05,600
you need the

3614
02:24:08,790 --> 02:24:07,680
the president to step up to the

3615
02:24:13,190 --> 02:24:08,800
microphone

3616
02:24:17,110 --> 02:24:13,200
is that disclosure eruption of applause

3617
02:24:19,190 --> 02:24:17,120
right and so when i say

3618
02:24:20,550 --> 02:24:19,200
what you just said here which is my view

3619
02:24:23,429 --> 02:24:20,560
too as well

3620
02:24:25,429 --> 02:24:23,439
that's not good enough right for

3621
02:24:26,790 --> 02:24:25,439
everybody out there that is emotionally

3622
02:24:29,349 --> 02:24:26,800
invested here

3623
02:24:29,990 --> 02:24:29,359
they need their leader to step up and

3624
02:24:32,389 --> 02:24:30,000
say

3625
02:24:33,110 --> 02:24:32,399
this is what is going on and anything

3626
02:24:36,630 --> 02:24:33,120
short of that

3627
02:24:38,950 --> 02:24:36,640
isn't disclosure that's tough

3628
02:24:40,230 --> 02:24:38,960
i mean there's no right or wrong answer

3629
02:24:43,910 --> 02:24:40,240
to that i

3630
02:24:45,830 --> 02:24:43,920
i think again it's it's such a personal

3631
02:24:47,830 --> 02:24:45,840
thing i don't know why you would need

3632
02:24:50,469 --> 02:24:47,840
your government to tell you this

3633
02:24:52,710 --> 02:24:50,479
when they're looking into the topic and

3634
02:24:55,670 --> 02:24:52,720
they seem to have no answers either

3635
02:24:56,389 --> 02:24:55,680
i personally jimmy i while we may have a

3636
02:25:00,150 --> 02:24:56,399
crashed

3637
02:25:02,389 --> 02:25:00,160
craft or wreckage or um possibly even a

3638
02:25:04,950 --> 02:25:02,399
body i i couldn't tell you

3639
02:25:07,030 --> 02:25:04,960
i don't think the government knows even

3640
02:25:10,150 --> 02:25:07,040
a fraction of what's going on

3641
02:25:13,270 --> 02:25:10,160
with this topic and that's

3642
02:25:15,349 --> 02:25:13,280
scary in one sense but understandable

3643
02:25:16,469 --> 02:25:15,359
in another so i don't understand why

3644
02:25:18,630 --> 02:25:16,479
people need

3645
02:25:19,590 --> 02:25:18,640
a world leader or uh the government to

3646
02:25:21,590 --> 02:25:19,600
tell them

3647
02:25:23,030 --> 02:25:21,600
that this is happening because it's

3648
02:25:25,910 --> 02:25:23,040
happening every day

3649
02:25:26,550 --> 02:25:25,920
all around the world and look if this

3650
02:25:28,950 --> 02:25:26,560
uap

3651
02:25:29,590 --> 02:25:28,960
task force if these leaked reports that

3652
02:25:31,830 --> 02:25:29,600
we've uh

3653
02:25:32,790 --> 02:25:31,840
we've we've seen in the past couple

3654
02:25:35,429 --> 02:25:32,800
weeks or so

3655
02:25:36,630 --> 02:25:35,439
are of any indication that's kind of

3656
02:25:40,790 --> 02:25:36,640
troubling to me

3657
02:25:41,910 --> 02:25:40,800
that uh they have a photo of a possible

3658
02:25:45,590 --> 02:25:41,920
balloon

3659
02:25:48,230 --> 02:25:45,600
in the air and uh and that's all we got

3660
02:25:48,790 --> 02:25:48,240
in that it's two people sitting at a

3661
02:25:50,389 --> 02:25:48,800
desk

3662
02:25:52,790 --> 02:25:50,399
looking at this thing that's troubling

3663
02:25:53,590 --> 02:25:52,800
for me so why put all of your trust into

3664
02:25:56,790 --> 02:25:53,600
the government

3665
02:25:59,349 --> 02:25:56,800
who a either isn't taking it seriously

3666
02:26:01,750 --> 02:25:59,359
which is why someone like luis elizondo

3667
02:26:03,590 --> 02:26:01,760
left the pentagon program because he

3668
02:26:07,590 --> 02:26:03,600
wasn't getting the seriousness

3669
02:26:11,110 --> 02:26:07,600
that the topic uh deserved and uh

3670
02:26:12,389 --> 02:26:11,120
and b you don't need that you don't need

3671
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that so

3672
02:26:18,630 --> 02:26:16,800
i i i'm absorbing those booze you got

3673
02:26:21,349 --> 02:26:18,640
man because i can't even

3674
02:26:23,030 --> 02:26:21,359
i can't even begin to to understand what

3675
02:26:24,870 --> 02:26:23,040
that must have felt like but um

3676
02:26:26,389 --> 02:26:24,880
i think he did the right thing i

3677
02:26:29,510 --> 02:26:26,399
honestly do well you know

3678
02:26:33,030 --> 02:26:29,520
for me uh when

3679
02:26:34,630 --> 02:26:33,040
when i've seen what i have seen um

3680
02:26:36,950 --> 02:26:34,640
and when i say that i don't need

3681
02:26:40,389 --> 02:26:36,960
disclosure i don't because

3682
02:26:42,309 --> 02:26:40,399
i've seen what i've seen but for

3683
02:26:43,830 --> 02:26:42,319
others out there they could really give

3684
02:26:47,030 --> 02:26:43,840
a rat's ass

3685
02:26:48,550 --> 02:26:47,040
of of what i have seen it is their own

3686
02:26:50,950 --> 02:26:48,560
personal experience

3687
02:26:52,790 --> 02:26:50,960
why they are part of this community and

3688
02:26:53,910 --> 02:26:52,800
they've been ridiculed you know their

3689
02:26:56,870 --> 02:26:53,920
entire lives

3690
02:26:58,790 --> 02:26:56,880
on the subject and the only thing that

3691
02:27:00,230 --> 02:26:58,800
is going to give them the satisfaction

3692
02:27:02,870 --> 02:27:00,240
the closure

3693
02:27:04,790 --> 02:27:02,880
of all of this is to have the president

3694
02:27:05,110 --> 02:27:04,800
you know on live television saying we

3695
02:27:08,469 --> 02:27:05,120
not

3696
02:27:11,910 --> 02:27:08,479
alone and we've made contact

3697
02:27:15,030 --> 02:27:11,920
and we're continuing to make contact et

3698
02:27:18,230 --> 02:27:15,040
is here anything short of that

3699
02:27:20,389 --> 02:27:18,240
is is not acceptable

3700
02:27:21,830 --> 02:27:20,399
all i can say to those people is i think

3701
02:27:23,670 --> 02:27:21,840
you're gonna be let down

3702
02:27:26,469 --> 02:27:23,680
and you're gonna not like the answers

3703
02:27:28,150 --> 02:27:26,479
you get if we ever do get those answers

3704
02:27:29,750 --> 02:27:28,160
in the form of an official

3705
02:27:30,710 --> 02:27:29,760
acknowledgement and disclosure by the

3706
02:27:32,150 --> 02:27:30,720
government

3707
02:27:34,710 --> 02:27:32,160
half the people aren't going to believe

3708
02:27:36,150 --> 02:27:34,720
it first of all and the other half

3709
02:27:38,550 --> 02:27:36,160
are still going to have a million

3710
02:27:40,309 --> 02:27:38,560
questions after that and a lot for the

3711
02:27:42,630 --> 02:27:40,319
government to answer for

3712
02:27:43,429 --> 02:27:42,640
of why they've covered it up for so long

3713
02:27:46,150 --> 02:27:43,439
so

3714
02:27:46,790 --> 02:27:46,160
i i i just can't i can't get behind that

3715
02:27:50,070 --> 02:27:46,800
movement

3716
02:27:51,190 --> 02:27:50,080
of uh big d disclosure as it were i

3717
02:27:53,190 --> 02:27:51,200
never have been

3718
02:27:55,429 --> 02:27:53,200
i don't think i ever will be until i'm

3719
02:27:58,230 --> 02:27:55,439
proven wrong and some president

3720
02:27:59,830 --> 02:27:58,240
does it someday and it could happen it

3721
02:28:02,469 --> 02:27:59,840
could happen man but uh

3722
02:28:05,950 --> 02:28:02,479
i and i will eat crow at that point send

3723
02:28:09,590 --> 02:28:07,670
ryansprague.gmail.com with that let's

3724
02:28:12,630 --> 02:28:09,600
take our break ryan stay right there

3725
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let's go and do some overtime this is

3726
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fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church on the game

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at j church radio you can follow ryan at

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in the skies it's right there we've got

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we'll be right back after this short

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welcome back bait to black overtime with

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ryan's break took

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seven years

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with ryan sprague i'm so excited

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3852
02:33:51,990 --> 02:33:48,479
ryan let's suppose a hypothetical here

3853
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you are sent and are in the possession

3854
02:34:00,630 --> 02:33:57,349
documents and video

3855
02:34:01,990 --> 02:34:00,640
that will blow the ufo question out of

3856
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the water and change

3857
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history but you are told to keep it to

3858
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yourself

3859
02:34:14,830 --> 02:34:10,880
do you become a martyr

3860
02:34:21,110 --> 02:34:17,830
wow um the old

3861
02:34:22,150 --> 02:34:21,120
ethics question right um i struggle with

3862
02:34:25,030 --> 02:34:22,160
this man

3863
02:34:25,510 --> 02:34:25,040
i i feel like i've thought about this

3864
02:34:36,950 --> 02:34:25,520
and

3865
02:34:38,550 --> 02:34:36,960
would i would give it out to the public

3866
02:34:39,990 --> 02:34:38,560
that's the only way to go that's the

3867
02:34:41,670 --> 02:34:40,000
only way to go yeah

3868
02:34:43,190 --> 02:34:41,680
and i'm not saying that from a strictly

3869
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altruistic sense

3870
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i just think that if i am going to be

3871
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privy to that information

3872
02:34:50,870 --> 02:34:49,920
i everyone should i think everyone has

3873
02:34:53,830 --> 02:34:50,880
that right

3874
02:34:54,389 --> 02:34:53,840
um and i think everyone pays for that

3875
02:34:56,550 --> 02:34:54,399
right

3876
02:34:57,510 --> 02:34:56,560
whether it's through your taxes or

3877
02:34:59,670 --> 02:34:57,520
through um

3878
02:35:02,070 --> 02:34:59,680
you know other means like that i think

3879
02:35:03,670 --> 02:35:02,080
we all deserve that truth i do

3880
02:35:05,750 --> 02:35:03,680
so while i may not believe that grand

3881
02:35:07,590 --> 02:35:05,760
disclosure is ever going to happen

3882
02:35:09,670 --> 02:35:07,600
you can bet your ass if i ever got those

3883
02:35:10,150 --> 02:35:09,680
documents that i would try to make it

3884
02:35:14,389 --> 02:35:10,160
happen

3885
02:35:18,230 --> 02:35:14,399
for sure the way that uh

3886
02:35:21,349 --> 02:35:18,240
uh richard dolan addressed this in a.d

3887
02:35:24,710 --> 02:35:21,359
after disclosure um i've

3888
02:35:28,150 --> 02:35:24,720
often thought that

3889
02:35:30,950 --> 02:35:28,160
the big d right disclosure

3890
02:35:32,550 --> 02:35:30,960
is going to be out of the government's

3891
02:35:34,230 --> 02:35:32,560
control

3892
02:35:35,590 --> 02:35:34,240
right that's that's that's how i think

3893
02:35:37,429 --> 02:35:35,600
it's gonna happen

3894
02:35:39,349 --> 02:35:37,439
right it's gonna i don't know if it's

3895
02:35:42,550 --> 02:35:39,359
gonna be a white hat

3896
02:35:43,830 --> 02:35:42,560
you know anonymous uh hack of computer

3897
02:35:47,510 --> 02:35:43,840
systems and uh

3898
02:35:50,309 --> 02:35:47,520
and and uh a document dump or

3899
02:35:50,870 --> 02:35:50,319
the proverbial flight over los angeles

3900
02:35:52,790 --> 02:35:50,880
right

3901
02:35:53,990 --> 02:35:52,800
in front of everybody but it's gonna be

3902
02:35:57,190 --> 02:35:54,000
something that is out

3903
02:35:58,469 --> 02:35:57,200
of the government's control right do you

3904
02:36:01,670 --> 02:35:58,479
think that that's how

3905
02:36:04,389 --> 02:36:01,680
uh that's a real possibility i i

3906
02:36:05,190 --> 02:36:04,399
do i think if that ever happens it will

3907
02:36:09,030 --> 02:36:05,200
be

3908
02:36:12,950 --> 02:36:09,040
a sort of wikileaks scenario

3909
02:36:14,630 --> 02:36:12,960
or or if the government has a reason

3910
02:36:17,190 --> 02:36:14,640
for coming forward and doing that

3911
02:36:18,309 --> 02:36:17,200
disclosure it's going to be a process

3912
02:36:20,550 --> 02:36:18,319
i don't think it's going to be an

3913
02:36:23,030 --> 02:36:20,560
overnight thing of a grand announcement

3914
02:36:24,230 --> 02:36:23,040
i think if it's going to happen it's

3915
02:36:26,469 --> 02:36:24,240
been happening

3916
02:36:27,270 --> 02:36:26,479
and we're being conditioned to get ready

3917
02:36:29,429 --> 02:36:27,280
for that

3918
02:36:30,950 --> 02:36:29,439
are we seeing somewhere okay okay are we

3919
02:36:33,670 --> 02:36:30,960
seeing that now

3920
02:36:34,469 --> 02:36:33,680
you know where it's it's pretty much

3921
02:36:37,030 --> 02:36:34,479
daily

3922
02:36:38,790 --> 02:36:37,040
it's getting clouded in in the other

3923
02:36:41,270 --> 02:36:38,800
controversies and headlines

3924
02:36:43,429 --> 02:36:41,280
today in the news but it's it's

3925
02:36:45,670 --> 02:36:43,439
exoplanets being discovered it's fast

3926
02:36:46,950 --> 02:36:45,680
radio bursts it's the search for alien

3927
02:36:49,349 --> 02:36:46,960
life it's the amount of

3928
02:36:50,630 --> 02:36:49,359
habitable planets in the in in our

3929
02:36:53,750 --> 02:36:50,640
galaxy

3930
02:36:55,110 --> 02:36:53,760
uh it's it seems like uh combine

3931
02:36:57,190 --> 02:36:55,120
that with everything else that's

3932
02:36:59,670 --> 02:36:57,200
happening with tucker carlson

3933
02:37:01,030 --> 02:36:59,680
it certainly seems that aliens are in

3934
02:37:03,110 --> 02:37:01,040
the headlines today

3935
02:37:06,150 --> 02:37:03,120
is that part of it is this some kind of

3936
02:37:08,710 --> 02:37:06,160
grand acclimation process

3937
02:37:10,630 --> 02:37:08,720
in a way i i don't think this all exists

3938
02:37:12,870 --> 02:37:10,640
in a vacuum i think these

3939
02:37:14,710 --> 02:37:12,880
announcements like you know the one

3940
02:37:18,070 --> 02:37:14,720
earlier this year about venus

3941
02:37:20,630 --> 02:37:18,080
or uh these messages that um

3942
02:37:21,590 --> 02:37:20,640
that we just made might have gotten from

3943
02:37:24,230 --> 02:37:21,600
um

3944
02:37:26,070 --> 02:37:24,240
alpha centauri yeah yes thank you right

3945
02:37:29,190 --> 02:37:26,080
close star system uh

3946
02:37:31,349 --> 02:37:29,200
i think those exist on their own as

3947
02:37:33,750 --> 02:37:31,359
incredible developments in the

3948
02:37:36,630 --> 02:37:33,760
possibility of life being out there

3949
02:37:37,030 --> 02:37:36,640
uh i don't think that the government is

3950
02:37:38,790 --> 02:37:37,040
saying

3951
02:37:41,190 --> 02:37:38,800
let's put this out here let's put this

3952
02:37:43,270 --> 02:37:41,200
out here i think most of the time man

3953
02:37:45,910 --> 02:37:43,280
they're just playing damage control

3954
02:37:47,990 --> 02:37:45,920
when they release those navy ufo videos

3955
02:37:50,150 --> 02:37:48,000
officially by the dod

3956
02:37:52,630 --> 02:37:50,160
that video had been online for like

3957
02:37:55,270 --> 02:37:52,640
three four years at that point

3958
02:37:56,469 --> 02:37:55,280
and also like the new york times came

3959
02:37:58,950 --> 02:37:56,479
out with the story

3960
02:37:59,990 --> 02:37:58,960
because they got the information and

3961
02:38:01,830 --> 02:38:00,000
then they were forced to

3962
02:38:03,190 --> 02:38:01,840
backtrack on their statements their

3963
02:38:07,030 --> 02:38:03,200
previous statements

3964
02:38:09,429 --> 02:38:07,040
so i um yeah man i i in one way

3965
02:38:10,309 --> 02:38:09,439
there could be a sort of small drip feed

3966
02:38:12,630 --> 02:38:10,319
of uh

3967
02:38:13,990 --> 02:38:12,640
maybe this that but at the end of the

3968
02:38:16,309 --> 02:38:14,000
day i think the

3969
02:38:18,389 --> 02:38:16,319
government which you know i have a

3970
02:38:20,150 --> 02:38:18,399
problem with as well is what is this

3971
02:38:22,230 --> 02:38:20,160
monolith of a government that doesn't

3972
02:38:23,349 --> 02:38:22,240
exist it's hundreds of thousands of

3973
02:38:25,510 --> 02:38:23,359
people working

3974
02:38:27,190 --> 02:38:25,520
in different you know departments who

3975
02:38:28,389 --> 02:38:27,200
don't talk to the person next to them

3976
02:38:31,750 --> 02:38:28,399
about anything

3977
02:38:34,870 --> 02:38:31,760
um i don't think they have the

3978
02:38:36,870 --> 02:38:34,880
the wherewithal or the capabilities to

3979
02:38:39,030 --> 02:38:36,880
have covered this up for so long

3980
02:38:41,110 --> 02:38:39,040
i i just don't believe that i think

3981
02:38:43,990 --> 02:38:41,120
they're just as blind as citizens are

3982
02:38:44,550 --> 02:38:44,000
on what ufos truly represent they might

3983
02:38:47,190 --> 02:38:44,560
have

3984
02:38:47,990 --> 02:38:47,200
a little bit more insider knowledge but

3985
02:38:50,710 --> 02:38:48,000
i don't think they

3986
02:38:51,830 --> 02:38:50,720
have a clue what's going on what these

3987
02:38:53,670 --> 02:38:51,840
ufos are

3988
02:38:55,590 --> 02:38:53,680
but they can control the information

3989
02:38:58,230 --> 02:38:55,600
that gets out to the public

3990
02:38:59,750 --> 02:38:58,240
now okay so then let's let's go back to

3991
02:39:03,590 --> 02:38:59,760
history a little bit

3992
02:39:05,510 --> 02:39:03,600
um so much of it has become ufo dogma

3993
02:39:07,590 --> 02:39:05,520
um you know the stories have been

3994
02:39:11,030 --> 02:39:07,600
repeated for so long

3995
02:39:12,550 --> 02:39:11,040
but we go back to the eisenhower treaty

3996
02:39:15,590 --> 02:39:12,560
with aliens

3997
02:39:16,230 --> 02:39:15,600
you know and and this uh communication

3998
02:39:21,190 --> 02:39:16,240
that has

3999
02:39:24,150 --> 02:39:21,200
been ongoing for 40 50 60 years

4000
02:39:25,110 --> 02:39:24,160
is that something that is you know urban

4001
02:39:27,429 --> 02:39:25,120
legend

4002
02:39:29,910 --> 02:39:27,439
it's repeated enough that it becomes you

4003
02:39:33,830 --> 02:39:29,920
know part of our truth

4004
02:39:35,670 --> 02:39:33,840
right yeah how do we deal with that

4005
02:39:37,429 --> 02:39:35,680
that's a struggle man because i mean you

4006
02:39:38,389 --> 02:39:37,439
could ask that question of many things

4007
02:39:41,510 --> 02:39:38,399
if we have

4008
02:39:42,870 --> 02:39:41,520
a tip looking at a couple blurry navy

4009
02:39:44,950 --> 02:39:42,880
ufo videos

4010
02:39:47,270 --> 02:39:44,960
what about these nine craft that bob

4011
02:39:49,270 --> 02:39:47,280
lazar said he supposedly worked on

4012
02:39:50,870 --> 02:39:49,280
shouldn't that be part of the equation

4013
02:39:53,990 --> 02:39:50,880
that the government is looking at

4014
02:39:56,550 --> 02:39:54,000
yet they're not or what about

4015
02:39:57,510 --> 02:39:56,560
the eisenhower treaty doesn't that play

4016
02:39:59,910 --> 02:39:57,520
into all this

4017
02:40:00,630 --> 02:39:59,920
because if it does why are we still

4018
02:40:02,870 --> 02:40:00,640
stuck

4019
02:40:04,150 --> 02:40:02,880
on a couple blurry videos from gun

4020
02:40:07,429 --> 02:40:04,160
camera footage

4021
02:40:08,550 --> 02:40:07,439
so it's hard man and i i don't know what

4022
02:40:11,349 --> 02:40:08,560
to make of that

4023
02:40:12,389 --> 02:40:11,359
while we look to the government for this

4024
02:40:14,469 --> 02:40:12,399
information

4025
02:40:16,070 --> 02:40:14,479
it's becoming abundantly clear that

4026
02:40:18,070 --> 02:40:16,080
either all of these things are a

4027
02:40:18,870 --> 02:40:18,080
mythology we've created throughout the

4028
02:40:21,429 --> 02:40:18,880
decades

4029
02:40:21,990 --> 02:40:21,439
whether it's lazar's claims or or billy

4030
02:40:25,190 --> 02:40:22,000
meyer

4031
02:40:26,150 --> 02:40:25,200
or um you know the the aztec ufo crash

4032
02:40:29,590 --> 02:40:26,160
what have you

4033
02:40:31,429 --> 02:40:29,600
project serpo if those actually happen

4034
02:40:33,030 --> 02:40:31,439
why is our government looking at a

4035
02:40:35,429 --> 02:40:33,040
couple blurry videos

4036
02:40:36,550 --> 02:40:35,439
and that's what they consider ufo

4037
02:40:38,550 --> 02:40:36,560
investigation

4038
02:40:40,230 --> 02:40:38,560
i have a hard time with that so i don't

4039
02:40:41,429 --> 02:40:40,240
know what to make of all of it are these

4040
02:40:42,630 --> 02:40:41,439
all just stories

4041
02:40:45,110 --> 02:40:42,640
that have been built up throughout the

4042
02:40:47,590 --> 02:40:45,120
years probably possibly

4043
02:40:48,630 --> 02:40:47,600
i shouldn't say probably i don't know uh

4044
02:40:51,990 --> 02:40:48,640
but

4045
02:40:54,230 --> 02:40:52,000
if so i think we have a lot more that we

4046
02:40:57,269 --> 02:40:54,240
could be looking at than just a couple

4047
02:40:57,990 --> 02:40:57,279
reports of a craft over the pacific

4048
02:41:01,190 --> 02:40:58,000
ocean

4049
02:41:03,750 --> 02:41:01,200
now the uap task force um

4050
02:41:05,750 --> 02:41:03,760
when we look at that and the senate

4051
02:41:08,950 --> 02:41:05,760
intelligence committee

4052
02:41:13,190 --> 02:41:08,960
and this use of those three letters

4053
02:41:14,309 --> 02:41:13,200
uap is the conversation with the senate

4054
02:41:17,670 --> 02:41:14,319
and the uap

4055
02:41:20,950 --> 02:41:17,680
task force of an alien

4056
02:41:24,070 --> 02:41:20,960
conversation not of this earth from

4057
02:41:27,110 --> 02:41:24,080
outside of our solar system uh

4058
02:41:30,710 --> 02:41:27,120
conversation or is the uap

4059
02:41:35,750 --> 02:41:30,720
conversation a conversation about china

4060
02:41:39,030 --> 02:41:38,150
when it comes to any government-funded

4061
02:41:41,750 --> 02:41:39,040
program

4062
02:41:42,230 --> 02:41:41,760
especially the pentagon they are looking

4063
02:41:44,469 --> 02:41:42,240
at this

4064
02:41:46,309 --> 02:41:44,479
as a threat i mean it was in the name of

4065
02:41:48,550 --> 02:41:46,319
the pentagon program

4066
02:41:50,070 --> 02:41:48,560
you want funding put threat in your your

4067
02:41:50,950 --> 02:41:50,080
title man that's all you got to do to

4068
02:41:53,110 --> 02:41:50,960
get some money

4069
02:41:54,309 --> 02:41:53,120
from the government to look into things

4070
02:41:57,110 --> 02:41:54,319
so

4071
02:41:58,389 --> 02:41:57,120
with this task force or this bill i

4072
02:42:01,750 --> 02:41:58,399
think it's either

4073
02:42:05,030 --> 02:42:01,760
a political move

4074
02:42:06,950 --> 02:42:05,040
or it's about national security so

4075
02:42:09,269 --> 02:42:06,960
yeah let's say we're gonna look into

4076
02:42:11,429 --> 02:42:09,279
ufos maybe we can get some more money

4077
02:42:14,870 --> 02:42:11,439
out of that to pump into this thing

4078
02:42:16,870 --> 02:42:14,880
um so yeah i don't know i don't know i

4079
02:42:17,910 --> 02:42:16,880
i think you know the fact that they're

4080
02:42:21,110 --> 02:42:17,920
looking at the topic

4081
02:42:22,150 --> 02:42:21,120
is exciting and i'll take what i can get

4082
02:42:24,550 --> 02:42:22,160
if we're going to get some of these

4083
02:42:27,429 --> 02:42:24,560
reports on stuff that's awesome

4084
02:42:29,269 --> 02:42:27,439
but again just like with ttsa i think

4085
02:42:30,710 --> 02:42:29,279
people really really need to temper

4086
02:42:32,630 --> 02:42:30,720
their expectations

4087
02:42:34,070 --> 02:42:32,640
because if there's anything i learned

4088
02:42:35,110 --> 02:42:34,080
from speaking to the pentagon

4089
02:42:38,309 --> 02:42:35,120
spokesperson

4090
02:42:40,710 --> 02:42:38,319
it's that we're not gonna get anything

4091
02:42:41,429 --> 02:42:40,720
from these because they're classified

4092
02:42:44,230 --> 02:42:41,439
yeah okay

4093
02:42:44,870 --> 02:42:44,240
and uh and i'm gonna restructure the

4094
02:42:48,389 --> 02:42:44,880
question

4095
02:42:49,190 --> 02:42:48,399
again because i agree with you my point

4096
02:42:52,830 --> 02:42:49,200
is

4097
02:42:55,510 --> 02:42:52,840
the senators on the senate intelligence

4098
02:42:58,710 --> 02:42:55,520
committee is their conversation

4099
02:43:01,750 --> 02:42:58,720
about aliens not of this

4100
02:43:02,790 --> 02:43:01,760
earth is that the conversation that

4101
02:43:06,710 --> 02:43:02,800
these senators

4102
02:43:10,550 --> 02:43:06,720
are having it's very possible

4103
02:43:13,750 --> 02:43:10,560
really i mean i i i think

4104
02:43:15,750 --> 02:43:13,760
that someone like marco rubio who

4105
02:43:17,670 --> 02:43:15,760
kind of started this bill got the thing

4106
02:43:20,150 --> 02:43:17,680
in motion is looking at it

4107
02:43:21,510 --> 02:43:20,160
as a national security issue that's fine

4108
02:43:23,750 --> 02:43:21,520
but then you have someone like harry

4109
02:43:24,469 --> 02:43:23,760
reid who originally started the a-tip

4110
02:43:27,349 --> 02:43:24,479
program

4111
02:43:28,070 --> 02:43:27,359
in getting funding for it still to this

4112
02:43:30,389 --> 02:43:28,080
day

4113
02:43:31,670 --> 02:43:30,399
has said it's very possible this could

4114
02:43:34,389 --> 02:43:31,680
be from another planet

4115
02:43:35,590 --> 02:43:34,399
and when you have someone like elizondo

4116
02:43:38,790 --> 02:43:35,600
or chris mellon

4117
02:43:40,389 --> 02:43:38,800
or or people like this saying

4118
02:43:43,830 --> 02:43:40,399
we don't think it's russian we don't

4119
02:43:46,710 --> 02:43:43,840
think it's chinese uh

4120
02:43:47,190 --> 02:43:46,720
i put stock into that a little bit at

4121
02:43:49,510 --> 02:43:47,200
least

4122
02:43:51,269 --> 02:43:49,520
well are aren't we forced into reading

4123
02:43:52,469 --> 02:43:51,279
between the lines and their statements

4124
02:43:55,590 --> 02:43:52,479
though

4125
02:43:58,710 --> 02:43:55,600
everybody stops

4126
02:44:00,950 --> 02:43:58,720
right the conversation goes forward but

4127
02:44:04,070 --> 02:44:00,960
then stops at the point of

4128
02:44:07,670 --> 02:44:04,080
ufos and little green men right

4129
02:44:09,030 --> 02:44:07,680
it doesn't go that far right they allude

4130
02:44:11,269 --> 02:44:09,040
and forces to read

4131
02:44:13,030 --> 02:44:11,279
between the lines i'm excited about

4132
02:44:16,630 --> 02:44:13,040
reading between the lines

4133
02:44:19,910 --> 02:44:16,640
but nobody has has crossed that rubicon

4134
02:44:21,110 --> 02:44:19,920
like a rubicon like marco rubio he came

4135
02:44:27,670 --> 02:44:21,120
close

4136
02:44:30,469 --> 02:44:27,680
it's always

4137
02:44:30,870 --> 02:44:30,479
right up to the edge but nobody wants to

4138
02:44:33,269 --> 02:44:30,880
uh

4139
02:44:34,150 --> 02:44:33,279
jump into you know take me to your

4140
02:44:36,790 --> 02:44:34,160
leader

4141
02:44:38,070 --> 02:44:36,800
yeah nobody wants to be that person and

4142
02:44:41,910 --> 02:44:38,080
all i can hope for

4143
02:44:44,150 --> 02:44:41,920
is that as this topic continues

4144
02:44:46,710 --> 02:44:44,160
and more people get interested and

4145
02:44:49,830 --> 02:44:46,720
involved and that stigma starts to shed

4146
02:44:52,150 --> 02:44:49,840
away as i think it is especially within

4147
02:44:53,510 --> 02:44:52,160
the military i mean i talked to a navy

4148
02:44:56,790 --> 02:44:53,520
guy the other day

4149
02:44:59,750 --> 02:44:56,800
who had five ufo sightings man

4150
02:45:01,590 --> 02:44:59,760
over a naval air station in california

4151
02:45:02,150 --> 02:45:01,600
and of course my first question is did

4152
02:45:05,190 --> 02:45:02,160
you

4153
02:45:06,469 --> 02:45:05,200
report any of these events he said no i

4154
02:45:08,469 --> 02:45:06,479
tried the first time

4155
02:45:09,750 --> 02:45:08,479
and my superiors told me stop drinking

4156
02:45:13,349 --> 02:45:09,760
on the job

4157
02:45:15,510 --> 02:45:13,359
so that's changing and our military

4158
02:45:16,389 --> 02:45:15,520
people are now feeling empowered to come

4159
02:45:19,910 --> 02:45:16,399
forward

4160
02:45:21,990 --> 02:45:19,920
and that sets a huge precedent for these

4161
02:45:22,950 --> 02:45:22,000
military cases if you put a lot of stock

4162
02:45:27,110 --> 02:45:22,960
into that

4163
02:45:27,990 --> 02:45:27,120
so who knows i i hope it gets to the

4164
02:45:31,030 --> 02:45:28,000
point where

4165
02:45:34,070 --> 02:45:31,040
someone is willing to say

4166
02:45:34,389 --> 02:45:34,080
it's alien or it's interdimensional or

4167
02:45:38,550 --> 02:45:34,399
it's

4168
02:45:42,070 --> 02:45:38,560
national security right

4169
02:45:45,110 --> 02:45:42,080
right and uh and that's a problem

4170
02:45:46,950 --> 02:45:45,120
and when i uh

4171
02:45:48,150 --> 02:45:46,960
because i believe i've seen what i've

4172
02:45:52,469 --> 02:45:48,160
seen right

4173
02:45:55,269 --> 02:45:52,479
okay that's it i don't know who or what

4174
02:45:57,750 --> 02:45:55,279
it is but i know that it's it's

4175
02:46:00,309 --> 02:45:57,760
certainly not our technology

4176
02:46:01,190 --> 02:46:00,319
when it when we bring in somebody like

4177
02:46:02,950 --> 02:46:01,200
dave fravor

4178
02:46:04,630 --> 02:46:02,960
and everybody from the princeton and

4179
02:46:07,030 --> 02:46:04,640
everybody from the battle group that has

4180
02:46:10,150 --> 02:46:07,040
come forward and spoken about this

4181
02:46:11,190 --> 02:46:10,160
when you hear their description of the

4182
02:46:12,950 --> 02:46:11,200
events

4183
02:46:15,190 --> 02:46:12,960
and it's certainly with dave fravor

4184
02:46:15,910 --> 02:46:15,200
who's got probably the most compelling

4185
02:46:19,190 --> 02:46:15,920
part of of

4186
02:46:23,030 --> 02:46:19,200
of all of this is it alien

4187
02:46:23,990 --> 02:46:23,040
what they saw but based on what you have

4188
02:46:26,870 --> 02:46:24,000
heard

4189
02:46:27,590 --> 02:46:26,880
is this not of this earth being very

4190
02:46:31,030 --> 02:46:27,600
frank here

4191
02:46:34,389 --> 02:46:31,040
right you know i'm not of this earth

4192
02:46:38,790 --> 02:46:34,399
or was it something uh that was

4193
02:46:42,710 --> 02:46:38,800
technology from from us

4194
02:46:45,110 --> 02:46:42,720
i i sat down for almost three hours with

4195
02:46:47,750 --> 02:46:45,120
kevin day the radar operator

4196
02:46:49,349 --> 02:46:47,760
during the nimitz event and i flat-out

4197
02:46:53,190 --> 02:46:49,359
asked him that too

4198
02:46:56,870 --> 02:46:53,200
dude like just be be straight with me

4199
02:46:58,309 --> 02:46:56,880
is this alien and he had no problem

4200
02:47:01,750 --> 02:46:58,319
telling me

4201
02:47:02,150 --> 02:47:01,760
i think so i think so and that says a

4202
02:47:03,750 --> 02:47:02,160
lot

4203
02:47:06,070 --> 02:47:03,760
that really does to me especially

4204
02:47:08,389 --> 02:47:06,080
someone like fravor and the way that

4205
02:47:10,790 --> 02:47:08,399
these craft are maneuvering jimmy i mean

4206
02:47:12,710 --> 02:47:10,800
i don't care how superior your

4207
02:47:16,309 --> 02:47:12,720
technology is in japan or

4208
02:47:17,349 --> 02:47:16,319
russia or china the things these things

4209
02:47:19,110 --> 02:47:17,359
are doing

4210
02:47:21,110 --> 02:47:19,120
the way they're maneuvering define

4211
02:47:25,349 --> 02:47:21,120
physics defying logic

4212
02:47:28,550 --> 02:47:25,359
defying space and time at points uh

4213
02:47:31,030 --> 02:47:28,560
no government no

4214
02:47:31,750 --> 02:47:31,040
nation has those capabilities in my

4215
02:47:33,510 --> 02:47:31,760
opinion

4216
02:47:35,110 --> 02:47:33,520
and that mean might mean nothing to

4217
02:47:37,670 --> 02:47:35,120
somebody but

4218
02:47:39,429 --> 02:47:37,680
when you have these people who are our

4219
02:47:41,830 --> 02:47:39,439
most sophisticated pilots in our most

4220
02:47:44,070 --> 02:47:41,840
sophisticated aircraft

4221
02:47:45,990 --> 02:47:44,080
maneuver being outmaneuvered by these

4222
02:47:48,710 --> 02:47:46,000
things it just

4223
02:47:49,190 --> 02:47:48,720
what else could it be what else could it

4224
02:47:50,790 --> 02:47:49,200
be

4225
02:47:53,670 --> 02:47:50,800
and then we have to ask the obvious

4226
02:47:57,110 --> 02:47:53,680
question why

4227
02:47:59,510 --> 02:47:57,120
just the united states military

4228
02:48:01,510 --> 02:47:59,520
i i have to just back up and go wait a

4229
02:48:05,670 --> 02:48:01,520
minute this has got to be going on

4230
02:48:07,830 --> 02:48:05,680
with china's navy with china's air force

4231
02:48:09,590 --> 02:48:07,840
they're not talking about it russia's

4232
02:48:13,030 --> 02:48:09,600
got to be going through the same thing

4233
02:48:15,990 --> 02:48:13,040
uh the united kingdom brazil mexico

4234
02:48:16,550 --> 02:48:16,000
right these these countries around the

4235
02:48:20,389 --> 02:48:16,560
world

4236
02:48:23,750 --> 02:48:20,399
why just the united states military

4237
02:48:27,510 --> 02:48:23,760
and i have an issue with that

4238
02:48:29,110 --> 02:48:27,520
all right i i just i can't i can't

4239
02:48:30,630 --> 02:48:29,120
i can't figure it out i can't connect

4240
02:48:33,030 --> 02:48:30,640
the dots yeah

4241
02:48:33,750 --> 02:48:33,040
it is a global phenomenon it always has

4242
02:48:36,150 --> 02:48:33,760
been

4243
02:48:38,790 --> 02:48:36,160
it always will be uh but you're right

4244
02:48:41,750 --> 02:48:38,800
there are governments in other countries

4245
02:48:44,230 --> 02:48:41,760
that have taken this thing seriously for

4246
02:48:46,469 --> 02:48:44,240
a lot longer than the united states has

4247
02:48:47,269 --> 02:48:46,479
and have looked into it extensively

4248
02:48:49,429 --> 02:48:47,279
brazil

4249
02:48:50,469 --> 02:48:49,439
uh france france is probably one of the

4250
02:48:53,750 --> 02:48:50,479
biggest that is looked at

4251
02:48:58,070 --> 02:48:53,760
argentina chile argent yeah man and

4252
02:49:01,349 --> 02:48:58,080
i i wish the united states could

4253
02:49:02,950 --> 02:49:01,359
take after that and say all right let's

4254
02:49:04,950 --> 02:49:02,960
do this let's be serious

4255
02:49:07,349 --> 02:49:04,960
let's not tell our navy pilots that they

4256
02:49:09,110 --> 02:49:07,359
were drunk when they report this

4257
02:49:11,990 --> 02:49:09,120
like let's do this because this could

4258
02:49:13,830 --> 02:49:12,000
change everything

4259
02:49:15,510 --> 02:49:13,840
we do often look at it from a very

4260
02:49:18,790 --> 02:49:15,520
western perception

4261
02:49:21,349 --> 02:49:18,800
of the united states roswell um you know

4262
02:49:22,950 --> 02:49:21,359
chicago o'hare whatever what have you we

4263
02:49:23,269 --> 02:49:22,960
look at it from the united states when

4264
02:49:24,710 --> 02:49:23,279
this

4265
02:49:27,190 --> 02:49:24,720
these things are happening at an

4266
02:49:29,269 --> 02:49:27,200
alarming rate all over the world

4267
02:49:30,790 --> 02:49:29,279
all over our nuclear facilities around

4268
02:49:31,910 --> 02:49:30,800
the world so that tells you something

4269
02:49:35,110 --> 02:49:31,920
too

4270
02:49:38,950 --> 02:49:35,120
well why why is it

4271
02:49:41,349 --> 02:49:38,960
that russia or china or another country

4272
02:49:41,990 --> 02:49:41,359
another state actor hasn't come forward

4273
02:49:43,990 --> 02:49:42,000
and said

4274
02:49:45,030 --> 02:49:44,000
same thing happened to our military

4275
02:49:47,110 --> 02:49:45,040
tic-tac 80

4276
02:49:49,110 --> 02:49:47,120
000 feet sea level under the ground

4277
02:49:49,830 --> 02:49:49,120
pipes going into the ocean refill the

4278
02:49:51,910 --> 02:49:49,840
ship

4279
02:49:53,429 --> 02:49:51,920
to you know we've got it on video too

4280
02:49:56,790 --> 02:49:53,439
our pilots are right here

4281
02:49:58,870 --> 02:49:56,800
let's compare our situations and and

4282
02:50:01,590 --> 02:49:58,880
let's try to move forward with this why

4283
02:50:04,630 --> 02:50:01,600
hasn't that happened

4284
02:50:07,110 --> 02:50:04,640
it's a game i i think it's a game

4285
02:50:08,389 --> 02:50:07,120
any military that could be in possession

4286
02:50:11,590 --> 02:50:08,399
of that technology

4287
02:50:13,750 --> 02:50:11,600
it's game over man like you have it

4288
02:50:16,710 --> 02:50:13,760
you got it you're you could be the

4289
02:50:19,990 --> 02:50:16,720
superpower for the rest of human history

4290
02:50:21,830 --> 02:50:20,000
if you get that tic tac if you reverse

4291
02:50:23,990 --> 02:50:21,840
engineer that technology

4292
02:50:25,510 --> 02:50:24,000
if you're able to use that to your

4293
02:50:28,070 --> 02:50:25,520
advantage whether it's for

4294
02:50:29,830 --> 02:50:28,080
national security or other reasons uh

4295
02:50:34,070 --> 02:50:29,840
whether you implement that into

4296
02:50:35,269 --> 02:50:34,080
uh what have you to save people's lives

4297
02:50:37,269 --> 02:50:35,279
whatever it is

4298
02:50:39,190 --> 02:50:37,279
if you're the nation that has that

4299
02:50:40,870 --> 02:50:39,200
technology you're gonna hold that pretty

4300
02:50:43,349 --> 02:50:40,880
darn close to the chest

4301
02:50:44,710 --> 02:50:43,359
so you know maybe something alien did

4302
02:50:47,030 --> 02:50:44,720
crash in roswell

4303
02:50:49,030 --> 02:50:47,040
but we're sure as heck not gonna tell

4304
02:50:50,550 --> 02:50:49,040
the world that we are now in possession

4305
02:50:53,110 --> 02:50:50,560
of alien wreckage

4306
02:50:54,870 --> 02:50:53,120
because there's their ace in the hole

4307
02:50:59,590 --> 02:50:54,880
man for when they need that

4308
02:51:02,309 --> 02:50:59,600
some some 75 years later i don't know

4309
02:51:04,070 --> 02:51:02,319
are you suggesting and if you are i'm

4310
02:51:07,590 --> 02:51:04,080
agreeing with you

4311
02:51:10,790 --> 02:51:07,600
that possibly the tic tac

4312
02:51:12,790 --> 02:51:10,800
was reversed engineered alien technology

4313
02:51:17,670 --> 02:51:12,800
with some kind of anti-gravity

4314
02:51:21,670 --> 02:51:17,680
ability to to do these uh fantastical

4315
02:51:25,750 --> 02:51:24,070
advancement of this technology that they

4316
02:51:27,670 --> 02:51:25,760
were the ones that backward and

4317
02:51:29,830 --> 02:51:27,680
that's why they aren't saying anything

4318
02:51:32,070 --> 02:51:29,840
because if it's us and we backwards

4319
02:51:33,429 --> 02:51:32,080
engineered this technology that's a

4320
02:51:35,750 --> 02:51:33,439
different situation

4321
02:51:37,910 --> 02:51:35,760
and we're testing on our own military

4322
02:51:39,670 --> 02:51:37,920
but it could it be the opposite

4323
02:51:41,590 --> 02:51:39,680
could it be the russians said it

4324
02:51:43,190 --> 02:51:41,600
backwards engineered this is this what

4325
02:51:46,550 --> 02:51:43,200
you're suggesting

4326
02:51:49,510 --> 02:51:46,560
i i would be comfortable saying that

4327
02:51:50,710 --> 02:51:49,520
yeah absolutely i think it's possible i

4328
02:51:53,590 --> 02:51:50,720
don't think our

4329
02:51:54,870 --> 02:51:53,600
own military would throw that technology

4330
02:51:55,510 --> 02:51:54,880
up against another branch of the

4331
02:51:57,510 --> 02:51:55,520
military

4332
02:51:59,269 --> 02:51:57,520
let's say it was the air force you know

4333
02:52:00,150 --> 02:51:59,279
the united states air force who had this

4334
02:52:01,670 --> 02:52:00,160
technology

4335
02:52:03,269 --> 02:52:01,680
and they were testing the navy's

4336
02:52:05,830 --> 02:52:03,279
reaction to it

4337
02:52:07,429 --> 02:52:05,840
that would never happen i mean it would

4338
02:52:10,550 --> 02:52:07,439
be too dangerous

4339
02:52:11,830 --> 02:52:10,560
in that sense so maybe it was a rival

4340
02:52:15,510 --> 02:52:11,840
nation who had

4341
02:52:17,429 --> 02:52:15,520
this technology and did that you know

4342
02:52:19,269 --> 02:52:17,439
well then we have the other problem we

4343
02:52:20,309 --> 02:52:19,279
tested nuclear weapons on our own

4344
02:52:24,469 --> 02:52:20,319
soldiers

4345
02:52:26,389 --> 02:52:24,479
right yeah duck and cover right

4346
02:52:27,670 --> 02:52:26,399
we're gonna blow this bomb up in front

4347
02:52:29,269 --> 02:52:27,680
of you just

4348
02:52:31,190 --> 02:52:29,279
you're going to be okay just tell us how

4349
02:52:34,309 --> 02:52:31,200
you feel after we're done

4350
02:52:37,349 --> 02:52:34,319
uh yeah yeah

4351
02:52:40,790 --> 02:52:37,359
yeah um

4352
02:52:42,630 --> 02:52:40,800
and uh and i want to continue on this

4353
02:52:46,150 --> 02:52:42,640
path and there's a reason

4354
02:52:48,710 --> 02:52:46,160
uh when it comes to those three videos

4355
02:52:49,670 --> 02:52:48,720
and the way that they were revealed yeah

4356
02:52:53,269 --> 02:52:49,680
the first one

4357
02:52:55,190 --> 02:52:53,279
was out for for 15 years on the internet

4358
02:52:58,870 --> 02:52:55,200
you know since 2007

4359
02:53:02,550 --> 02:52:58,880
uh whatever that is but um there is

4360
02:53:03,670 --> 02:53:02,560
more footage there in all three of those

4361
02:53:07,750 --> 02:53:03,680
videos

4362
02:53:11,349 --> 02:53:07,760
we're only seeing a short snippet of it

4363
02:53:13,190 --> 02:53:11,359
why is that why the gun camera footage

4364
02:53:15,429 --> 02:53:13,200
didn't stop at one minute

4365
02:53:17,590 --> 02:53:15,439
right there is a lot of footage there

4366
02:53:21,030 --> 02:53:17,600
why not just bring that forward

4367
02:53:24,469 --> 02:53:21,040
is it because it would just explain away

4368
02:53:27,349 --> 02:53:24,479
and and make it more mundane and and not

4369
02:53:29,590 --> 02:53:27,359
as fantastical

4370
02:53:31,990 --> 02:53:29,600
that's that's a strong possibility i

4371
02:53:34,710 --> 02:53:32,000
mean when i talk to the radar operator

4372
02:53:36,309 --> 02:53:34,720
we see one tic tac in that video this

4373
02:53:38,230 --> 02:53:36,319
guy told me there was

4374
02:53:40,630 --> 02:53:38,240
hundreds of these things man it was

4375
02:53:43,670 --> 02:53:40,640
literally raining ufos he said

4376
02:53:46,230 --> 02:53:43,680
so yeah there's more to these videos

4377
02:53:47,269 --> 02:53:46,240
uh several of the princeton members have

4378
02:53:50,309 --> 02:53:47,279
said that

4379
02:53:52,469 --> 02:53:50,319
um what they saw was crystal clear

4380
02:53:53,830 --> 02:53:52,479
i mean so there's that even though what

4381
02:53:54,790 --> 02:53:53,840
we're seeing in the video is pretty

4382
02:53:58,070 --> 02:53:54,800
blurry

4383
02:53:58,950 --> 02:53:58,080
so i do think these videos are probably

4384
02:54:00,870 --> 02:53:58,960
longer

4385
02:54:03,349 --> 02:54:00,880
um but it really depends on which way

4386
02:54:04,550 --> 02:54:03,359
you go with it is there more to them or

4387
02:54:07,269 --> 02:54:04,560
is there less to them

4388
02:54:08,150 --> 02:54:07,279
i don't know why are we only seeing 30

4389
02:54:10,950 --> 02:54:08,160
seconds

4390
02:54:12,550 --> 02:54:10,960
of it is that what's been declassified

4391
02:54:13,590 --> 02:54:12,560
because whatever happened before or

4392
02:54:16,230 --> 02:54:13,600
after that

4393
02:54:16,870 --> 02:54:16,240
remains classified i i couldn't tell you

4394
02:54:18,870 --> 02:54:16,880
but um

4395
02:54:20,790 --> 02:54:18,880
i do firmly believe after talking to

4396
02:54:23,830 --> 02:54:20,800
many of those individuals

4397
02:54:25,190 --> 02:54:23,840
that yeah these videos are the tip of

4398
02:54:27,670 --> 02:54:25,200
the iceberg

4399
02:54:29,110 --> 02:54:27,680
now what's the uh as as we're getting

4400
02:54:31,190 --> 02:54:29,120
ready to wrap up here

4401
02:54:32,309 --> 02:54:31,200
uh as you know we have micah hanks on

4402
02:54:34,630 --> 02:54:32,319
the show last week

4403
02:54:36,469 --> 02:54:34,640
and uh talking about the excellent work

4404
02:54:38,389 --> 02:54:36,479
of uh tim mcmillan and the debrief

4405
02:54:40,230 --> 02:54:38,399
what you guys are doing over there but

4406
02:54:41,990 --> 02:54:40,240
there's the question of this second

4407
02:54:44,630 --> 02:54:42,000
image

4408
02:54:46,469 --> 02:54:44,640
right of of this triangle object uh

4409
02:54:49,990 --> 02:54:46,479
coming out of the water at

4410
02:54:51,750 --> 02:54:50,000
90 degrees are we gonna see this thing

4411
02:54:53,349 --> 02:54:51,760
what's what's the latest rumor on the

4412
02:54:56,150 --> 02:54:53,359
street what have you heard

4413
02:54:56,790 --> 02:54:56,160
oh man if i had a nickel for every rumor

4414
02:55:00,950 --> 02:54:56,800
i'd be

4415
02:55:05,510 --> 02:55:00,960
to attend bar on broadway again man

4416
02:55:08,389 --> 02:55:05,520
um to my knowledge

4417
02:55:10,710 --> 02:55:08,399
nobody i have known or been in touch

4418
02:55:12,630 --> 02:55:10,720
with has seen this triangle photo

4419
02:55:13,750 --> 02:55:12,640
it's been talked about it's been

4420
02:55:16,550 --> 02:55:13,760
described

4421
02:55:18,150 --> 02:55:16,560
but whether you look at someone like

4422
02:55:20,630 --> 02:55:18,160
what tim has brought forward

4423
02:55:22,230 --> 02:55:20,640
or uh the information someone like

4424
02:55:25,190 --> 02:55:22,240
george knapp may have

4425
02:55:27,830 --> 02:55:25,200
uh we're only seeing this one video or

4426
02:55:30,790 --> 02:55:27,840
this one photo of this balloon or

4427
02:55:32,710 --> 02:55:30,800
whatever it might be if there is a

4428
02:55:34,630 --> 02:55:32,720
crystal clear photo of a triangle

4429
02:55:38,389 --> 02:55:34,640
emerging from the water

4430
02:55:41,910 --> 02:55:38,399
uh i want to see it but i have no

4431
02:55:43,510 --> 02:55:41,920
evidence to my knowledge uh whatever

4432
02:55:48,550 --> 02:55:43,520
limited knowledge that might be

4433
02:55:50,710 --> 02:55:48,560
on these photos uh that it even exists

4434
02:55:52,150 --> 02:55:50,720
so i don't know does that maybe it's

4435
02:55:54,389 --> 02:55:52,160
just gonna drop

4436
02:55:58,389 --> 02:55:54,399
does the debrief publish it if they get

4437
02:55:59,670 --> 02:55:58,399
it do you write that article i would

4438
02:56:01,269 --> 02:55:59,680
hope so

4439
02:56:03,349 --> 02:56:01,279
if we could be out front with something

4440
02:56:07,190 --> 02:56:03,359
like that man drop it

4441
02:56:09,510 --> 02:56:07,200
absolutely and i you know we

4442
02:56:11,349 --> 02:56:09,520
the debrief got a lot of flack with that

4443
02:56:14,150 --> 02:56:11,359
when that photo came out

4444
02:56:15,670 --> 02:56:14,160
and uh i struggle with that not because

4445
02:56:18,389 --> 02:56:15,680
i may be biased because i

4446
02:56:18,710 --> 02:56:18,399
work with the debrief but the work done

4447
02:56:21,750 --> 02:56:18,720
by

4448
02:56:24,469 --> 02:56:21,760
tim mcmillan on that original article

4449
02:56:25,750 --> 02:56:24,479
was almost a year in the making vetting

4450
02:56:28,230 --> 02:56:25,760
sources

4451
02:56:29,830 --> 02:56:28,240
following up with things um making sure

4452
02:56:32,150 --> 02:56:29,840
everything was in line

4453
02:56:33,110 --> 02:56:32,160
reaching out to the pentagon for comment

4454
02:56:35,110 --> 02:56:33,120
and constantly

4455
02:56:36,550 --> 02:56:35,120
being told we have no comment and saying

4456
02:56:37,910 --> 02:56:36,560
all right we're going to pull the gun on

4457
02:56:40,150 --> 02:56:37,920
this and publish this

4458
02:56:41,429 --> 02:56:40,160
um it's very possible that that could

4459
02:56:44,710 --> 02:56:41,439
happen again

4460
02:56:47,910 --> 02:56:44,720
and uh look the debrief is a new

4461
02:56:50,150 --> 02:56:47,920
endeavor um you know they can't pretend

4462
02:56:52,389 --> 02:56:50,160
that uh they know exactly what was in

4463
02:56:54,790 --> 02:56:52,399
that photo that we published

4464
02:56:55,590 --> 02:56:54,800
but we said right in the article tim

4465
02:56:57,510 --> 02:56:55,600
said

4466
02:56:59,349 --> 02:56:57,520
it could be a balloon and lo and behold

4467
02:57:02,630 --> 02:56:59,359
it most likely was

4468
02:57:05,429 --> 02:57:02,640
but photo

4469
02:57:07,190 --> 02:57:05,439
i have no doubt that the debrief could

4470
02:57:08,469 --> 02:57:07,200
be one of the first outlets that it gets

4471
02:57:11,590 --> 02:57:08,479
leaked to for sure

4472
02:57:13,510 --> 02:57:11,600
do you think that uh do you think that

4473
02:57:17,269 --> 02:57:13,520
their debrief

4474
02:57:20,150 --> 02:57:17,279
has a chance of being the new ttsa

4475
02:57:20,870 --> 02:57:20,160
the conduit from the pentagon where they

4476
02:57:27,590 --> 02:57:20,880
can

4477
02:57:28,230 --> 02:57:27,600
dump some of this information i hope so

4478
02:57:31,190 --> 02:57:28,240
man

4479
02:57:32,790 --> 02:57:31,200
i hope but hey we have a working

4480
02:57:33,190 --> 02:57:32,800
relationship with some of these people

4481
02:57:36,630 --> 02:57:33,200
now

4482
02:57:39,830 --> 02:57:36,640
and those are trusts and sources that

4483
02:57:43,429 --> 02:57:39,840
tim and mj banayas and uh m

4484
02:57:45,349 --> 02:57:43,439
and micah hanks have made and that's

4485
02:57:47,030 --> 02:57:45,359
that's solid and i trust these guys

4486
02:57:47,990 --> 02:57:47,040
that's the only reason i started writing

4487
02:57:50,630 --> 02:57:48,000
for them is

4488
02:57:51,910 --> 02:57:50,640
this isn't some two-bit hack website

4489
02:57:53,110 --> 02:57:51,920
that's hoping to just put out

4490
02:57:56,150 --> 02:57:53,120
sensational

4491
02:57:57,349 --> 02:57:56,160
reporting again that article took almost

4492
02:58:00,790 --> 02:57:57,359
a year

4493
02:58:03,670 --> 02:58:00,800
of putting together so um

4494
02:58:03,990 --> 02:58:03,680
if we can handle the uap topic in the

4495
02:58:06,630 --> 02:58:04,000
way

4496
02:58:07,990 --> 02:58:06,640
that we've shown is possible with the

4497
02:58:10,070 --> 02:58:08,000
debrief

4498
02:58:11,429 --> 02:58:10,080
i think we have a good chance of being

4499
02:58:15,349 --> 02:58:11,439
that outlet

4500
02:58:17,990 --> 02:58:15,359
that maybe what ttsa can't do we can do

4501
02:58:19,670 --> 02:58:18,000
and work with them like you know it's a

4502
02:58:21,750 --> 02:58:19,680
small company made up of these three

4503
02:58:24,389 --> 02:58:21,760
guys you know there's been rumors of

4504
02:58:25,429 --> 02:58:24,399
oh we're being backed by ttsa you guys

4505
02:58:28,550 --> 02:58:25,439
are shills

4506
02:58:30,469 --> 02:58:28,560
yeah yeah right shills no you guys are

4507
02:58:33,590 --> 02:58:30,479
doing a great job over there man

4508
02:58:36,790 --> 02:58:33,600
and and this community really needed

4509
02:58:37,750 --> 02:58:36,800
something like this right now um and in

4510
02:58:40,230 --> 02:58:37,760
closing

4511
02:58:41,830 --> 02:58:40,240
are we going to see another uh season of

4512
02:58:45,030 --> 02:58:41,840
mysteries decoded

4513
02:58:47,750 --> 02:58:45,040
what's going on uh what's in the future

4514
02:58:49,910 --> 02:58:47,760
yeah absolutely um we you know our first

4515
02:58:51,110 --> 02:58:49,920
season went great we uh we got picked up

4516
02:58:52,870 --> 02:58:51,120
for second season

4517
02:58:55,349 --> 02:58:52,880
right now uh we were right in the middle

4518
02:58:56,710 --> 02:58:55,359
of filming when the pandemic hit man so

4519
02:58:58,790 --> 02:58:56,720
i can't tell you when

4520
02:59:01,110 --> 02:58:58,800
but absolutely i've already been on the

4521
02:59:03,190 --> 02:59:01,120
ground doing two new investigations

4522
02:59:04,389 --> 02:59:03,200
for the show so look for more in the

4523
02:59:07,190 --> 02:59:04,399
future for sure

4524
02:59:09,190 --> 02:59:07,200
on some cases the public will know and

4525
02:59:10,230 --> 02:59:09,200
some that they've never heard of before

4526
02:59:11,830 --> 02:59:10,240
so i'm excited

4527
02:59:14,950 --> 02:59:11,840
yeah it's going to be great and when do

4528
02:59:15,990 --> 02:59:14,960
you release your new uh podcast each

4529
02:59:18,870 --> 02:59:16,000
week

4530
02:59:19,590 --> 02:59:18,880
uh episodes release every monday right

4531
02:59:22,230 --> 02:59:19,600
um

4532
02:59:22,710 --> 02:59:22,240
right on everywhere you get fade to

4533
02:59:25,670 --> 02:59:22,720
black

4534
02:59:27,349 --> 02:59:25,680
and and in between so uh i love it man

4535
02:59:28,150 --> 02:59:27,359
you know i've been following you for a

4536
02:59:30,389 --> 02:59:28,160
long time

4537
02:59:31,349 --> 02:59:30,399
and the likes of micah hanks and richard

4538
02:59:33,429 --> 02:59:31,359
dolan so

4539
02:59:34,630 --> 02:59:33,439
if i can even be in the same sphere as

4540
02:59:37,110 --> 02:59:34,640
you guys in the

4541
02:59:38,630 --> 02:59:37,120
internet radio and podcasting world i

4542
02:59:41,030 --> 02:59:38,640
feel like i've truly made it

4543
02:59:42,070 --> 02:59:41,040
oh you have ryan and uh thank you so

4544
02:59:43,750 --> 02:59:42,080
much i i

4545
02:59:45,590 --> 02:59:43,760
you know we've been talking about doing

4546
02:59:46,790 --> 02:59:45,600
this show for so many years we finally

4547
02:59:48,870 --> 02:59:46,800
got it out of the way

4548
02:59:51,030 --> 02:59:48,880
i look forward to the next conversation

4549
02:59:53,110 --> 02:59:51,040
we'll just pick one topic

4550
02:59:55,349 --> 02:59:53,120
and uh just go at it man thank you so

4551
02:59:56,230 --> 02:59:55,359
much my pleasure thanks so much for

4552
02:59:58,630 --> 02:59:56,240
having me

4553
03:00:00,389 --> 02:59:58,640
ryan sprague everybody thank you so much

4554
03:00:02,309 --> 03:00:00,399
ryan just one poll the poll

4555
03:00:04,469 --> 03:00:02,319
i've got to go straight to credits right

4556
03:00:06,950 --> 03:00:04,479
now uh the website of course is

4557
03:00:07,910 --> 03:00:06,960
somewhere in the skies dot com the links

4558
03:00:11,110 --> 03:00:07,920
are over

4559
03:00:12,309 --> 03:00:11,120
at jimmychurchradio.com want to remind

4560
03:00:14,230 --> 03:00:12,319
everybody what's going down tomorrow

4561
03:00:16,070 --> 03:00:14,240
night james fox is going to be here

4562
03:00:17,510 --> 03:00:16,080
we're going to talk about his new hit

4563
03:00:20,389 --> 03:00:17,520
film the documentary

4564
03:00:22,550 --> 03:00:20,399
the phenomenon so i'll see everybody

4565
03:00:24,150 --> 03:00:22,560
tomorrow night

4566
03:00:25,910 --> 03:00:24,160
what a great show tonight it is

4567
03:00:28,950 --> 03:00:25,920
christmas week

4568
03:00:31,030 --> 03:00:28,960
so glad to kick it off with ryan

4569
03:00:32,790 --> 03:00:31,040
peter black's executive producer is rita

4570
03:00:34,630 --> 03:00:32,800
kamarian show us produced by hilton j

4571
03:00:36,790 --> 03:00:34,640
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4572
03:00:37,670 --> 03:00:36,800
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4573
03:00:40,710 --> 03:00:37,680
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4574
03:00:44,190 --> 03:00:40,720
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4575
03:00:45,830 --> 03:00:44,200
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4576
03:00:48,389 --> 03:00:45,840
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4577
03:00:50,230 --> 03:00:48,399
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4578
03:00:51,750 --> 03:00:50,240
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4579
03:00:54,550 --> 03:00:51,760
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4580
03:00:56,710 --> 03:00:54,560
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4581
03:00:58,550 --> 03:00:56,720
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4582
03:01:01,590 --> 03:00:58,560
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4583
03:01:03,269 --> 03:01:01,600
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4584
03:01:05,110 --> 03:01:03,279
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4585
03:01:06,550 --> 03:01:05,120
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4586
03:01:07,190 --> 03:01:06,560
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4587
03:01:09,190 --> 03:01:07,200
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4588
03:01:11,510 --> 03:01:09,200
our mules jimmy church until tomorrow

4589
03:01:13,269 --> 03:01:11,520
night with james fox i want everybody to

4590
03:01:20,410 --> 03:01:13,279
be safe

4591
03:01:46,830 --> 03:01:20,420
fade to black

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03:01:49,830 --> 03:01:46,840
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